RE: PH Fleet: the Harris collection
Discussion
Chris Harris said:
CampDavid said:
If that's real, you've just cost me money.PS Mehari, everyone should have one, but a week would do it.
This one has been for sale for abolutely ages
http://www.4starclassics.com/Peugeot-205-Rallye-Fo...
£9k but it's only done 10k miles! Might take a cheeky offer ?!?!
They mention something in the blurb about UK cars having a different engine?
http://www.4starclassics.com/Peugeot-205-Rallye-Fo...
£9k but it's only done 10k miles! Might take a cheeky offer ?!?!
They mention something in the blurb about UK cars having a different engine?
The UK "Rallye" was just a special edition that had little to do with the "real thing". In fact that UK one says 1360cc/75bhp which is 10 bhp less than an XS. The real thing had an ~1300cc engine and ~100bhp from memory, built for rallying in a specific class. I think they were all white on steel wheels. Not sold in the UK. A different car really.
bigaoi said:
The UK "Rallye" was just a special edition that had little to do with the "real thing". In fact that UK one says 1360cc/75bhp which is 10 bhp less than an XS. The real thing had an ~1300cc engine and ~100bhp from memory, built for rallying in a specific class. I think they were all white on steel wheels. Not sold in the UK. A different car really.
Totally correct iirc they couldn't use the twin webers on uk cars due to the brake servos location? And probally emissions so we got a much more watered down version to shift abit more 
petrolsniffer said:
bigaoi said:
The UK "Rallye" was just a special edition that had little to do with the "real thing". In fact that UK one says 1360cc/75bhp which is 10 bhp less than an XS. The real thing had an ~1300cc engine and ~100bhp from memory, built for rallying in a specific class. I think they were all white on steel wheels. Not sold in the UK. A different car really.
Totally correct iirc they couldn't use the twin webers on uk cars due to the brake servos location? And probally emissions so we got a much more watered down version to shift abit more petrolsniffer said:
Totally correct iirc they couldn't use the twin webers on uk cars due to the brake servos location? And probally emissions so we got a much more watered down version to shift abit more
TBH, I think it was more of a cynical cashing in on the name in the UK and shifting the last batch of carbed XRs. And also, the GTI was such a success over here, Peugeot didn't really need/want to introduce another performance version.A slight alteration to the inlet manifold design would've enabled the fitting of twin webbers
Edited by goodhand on Tuesday 17th April 17:06
blakeyc said:
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The bodies were for the time surprisingly strong which gave a good framework on which to attach the chassis. Unfortunately the same couldn't be said for the AX which had more plastic components.
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This is a good comment. People always whinge on about how fragile 205s are, but some friends of mine had an accident in one when a Granada came around the bend on the wrong side. They walked away from that scary encounter with a large saloon car and bought another! Obviously new cars are much safer, but the 205s aint that bad honest!!The bodies were for the time surprisingly strong which gave a good framework on which to attach the chassis. Unfortunately the same couldn't be said for the AX which had more plastic components.
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On AX v XS:
Citroen is a little lighter and therefore a little quicker. But otherwise I prefer the Pug. They're both brilliant little cars, but the Peugeot's steering is free-er and I just love the way it grips and rolls. Nicer cabin, seat, driving position help too. AX runs it very close, but on bumpy B-roads (where they both shine) the XS is more fluent.
Citroen is a little lighter and therefore a little quicker. But otherwise I prefer the Pug. They're both brilliant little cars, but the Peugeot's steering is free-er and I just love the way it grips and rolls. Nicer cabin, seat, driving position help too. AX runs it very close, but on bumpy B-roads (where they both shine) the XS is more fluent.
When I was at University the XS was the car, if you were lucky enough. I couldn't find a good one and so bought an AX GT, it was also 'sportier' than the XS. However, the build quality wasn't up to much...
- I noticed that the car was steering rather oddly one day, got it over a pit to discover that the plate that the suspension attached to had literally ripped, and so the wheel was only just attached.
- Driving down the A1 from Newcastle to Lincoln on a Friday night to get to a 21st badly party after work, mid winter, 90 odd in the outside lane, very busy. Sudden bang and flash - everything shut down, no engine, no lights....Managed to thread a way through to the verge without death. Turns out that the alternator had sent a power spike through the car, not a single fuse blew but everything else did including every single bulb
- while revving sudden loss of power, turns out the end of the camshaft had snapped
The end when it came was somehow fitting. Spent weekend at girlfriends in London, car left in back yard of terrace house in Newcastle. Returned late Sunday to be met by a pile of bricks in front of the front door and note to see next door. Turns out the neighbours chimney blew over in a storm, the majority of it then slid down the roof at the rear, landed on my AX and destroyed it..I lost 4 years no claims because I could not prove the neighbours were negligent in the upkeep of thei chimney
Replaced it with a 1.9 GTI, a limo compared to the AX but never offered the same near death thrill.
- I noticed that the car was steering rather oddly one day, got it over a pit to discover that the plate that the suspension attached to had literally ripped, and so the wheel was only just attached.
- Driving down the A1 from Newcastle to Lincoln on a Friday night to get to a 21st badly party after work, mid winter, 90 odd in the outside lane, very busy. Sudden bang and flash - everything shut down, no engine, no lights....Managed to thread a way through to the verge without death. Turns out that the alternator had sent a power spike through the car, not a single fuse blew but everything else did including every single bulb
- while revving sudden loss of power, turns out the end of the camshaft had snapped
The end when it came was somehow fitting. Spent weekend at girlfriends in London, car left in back yard of terrace house in Newcastle. Returned late Sunday to be met by a pile of bricks in front of the front door and note to see next door. Turns out the neighbours chimney blew over in a storm, the majority of it then slid down the roof at the rear, landed on my AX and destroyed it..I lost 4 years no claims because I could not prove the neighbours were negligent in the upkeep of thei chimney
Replaced it with a 1.9 GTI, a limo compared to the AX but never offered the same near death thrill.
Great collection Chris.....
I had an AXGT back in the day and loved it..... I skipped the temptation to have a 205XS and in 1994 went to a 106 Rallye 1.3 another fab car (my first ever brand new Aug 1st motor) and a leap forward in French build quality (think thicker crisp packet...)
My wife thinks I'm crazy having 4 cars today, I'll point her at this forum. My "fleet" only goes back to 2007, but the "oldie" is another fabulous M car..... Z4 M Coupe. Not the best ever M to drive, but the looks, that engine and the limited numbers tell me it could be one to keep for many years.
There are just a few cars I regret selling over the years.... but space and £'s meant the Z3 M Coupes (x2), MkI Elise and MkII Exige all had to go.......
Cars are great!!!
I had an AXGT back in the day and loved it..... I skipped the temptation to have a 205XS and in 1994 went to a 106 Rallye 1.3 another fab car (my first ever brand new Aug 1st motor) and a leap forward in French build quality (think thicker crisp packet...)
My wife thinks I'm crazy having 4 cars today, I'll point her at this forum. My "fleet" only goes back to 2007, but the "oldie" is another fabulous M car..... Z4 M Coupe. Not the best ever M to drive, but the looks, that engine and the limited numbers tell me it could be one to keep for many years.
There are just a few cars I regret selling over the years.... but space and £'s meant the Z3 M Coupes (x2), MkI Elise and MkII Exige all had to go.......
Cars are great!!!
Number 5 said:
I love how the 205 XS is getting most of the attention, reinstalls my faith in PH
A good car that lots of people have had experience of.A sign of a proper petrolhead isn't just the appreciation of the Ferraris etc of the world but the appreciation of even the lowliest cars with a bit of character. Like a trip to Prescott the other year, millions of pounds of exotic kit yet this original little Citroen with heaps of patina was what everyone was admiring
And kudos Mr H that is a great and varied garage
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