Discussion
martynr said:
TallbutBuxomly said:
Not true east London has had recent spate of thefts. The issue is that someone is dishing out blank BMW keys and on top of that there is no code on the obd port to prevent just anyone recoding a new key.
Are you saying that any key will open any bmw? jason s4 said:
Max_Torque said:
Listen chaps, it's easy! Just remove one of the CAN bus wires from your J1962 OBD socket. The wires push backwards out of the plastic connector by pushing down a little locking tab. Then just tape said wire back onto the loom with a bit of electrical insulating tape.
Said thief is not going to be spending time with his head upsidedown in your footwells trying to find out why his tool can get coms with your car for any length of time. If your dealler needs to communicate with the car, they can just spend a min putting the contact back into place:
Remove either pin 6 (CAN low) or 14 (CAN high)
Said thief is not going to be spending time with his head upsidedown in your footwells trying to find out why his tool can get coms with your car for any length of time. If your dealler needs to communicate with the car, they can just spend a min putting the contact back into place:
Remove either pin 6 (CAN low) or 14 (CAN high)
The most sensible post out of this whole situation.
Top marks, sir.
S8QUATTRO said:
Worrying, i've just bought a 320d m sport. Not a high performance model/mega expensive model. Is it just m3/m5 335 and such models being stolen?
Now the BMW is parked on the drive first, with an old school steering lock, followed by a £600 Fiesta blocking it in, then a Ford Focus blocking that in.
There's a near identical petrol model about 6 houses away thats left on the road.
Are you sure you aren't being just a little bit over-cautious?Now the BMW is parked on the drive first, with an old school steering lock, followed by a £600 Fiesta blocking it in, then a Ford Focus blocking that in.
There's a near identical petrol model about 6 houses away thats left on the road.
Lots of panic and indignation on this thread but little fact or rationality.
Has anybody spoke to a BMW technical person about this yet? as I can't confirm but would imagine you need a pin number to access any immobiliser functions on said stolen vehicle.
These "pins" would be individual to each vehicle so this would beg the question where is this information being obtained from? Every manufactuer I've ever worked for uses this system to protect their vehicles from this type of theft by denying any immobiliser access unless you have the right pin for the vehicle.
These "pins" would be individual to each vehicle so this would beg the question where is this information being obtained from? Every manufactuer I've ever worked for uses this system to protect their vehicles from this type of theft by denying any immobiliser access unless you have the right pin for the vehicle.
martynr said:
V8A*ndy said:
Shirely any BMW key can be reprogrammed as well?
Go and do it then...Edited by V8A*ndy on Sunday 22 April 15:58
Oh and to really cheer you all up just type "BMW key programmer" into eBay.
Honestly feel really sorry for the owners that have lost their vehicles and wish them all good luck with recovering them and dealing with BMW uk whom I will imagine keep ignoring this issue until their hand is forced.
Honestly feel really sorry for the owners that have lost their vehicles and wish them all good luck with recovering them and dealing with BMW uk whom I will imagine keep ignoring this issue until their hand is forced.
chryslerben said:
Oh and to really cheer you all up just type "BMW key programmer" into eBay.
Honestly feel really sorry for the owners that have lost their vehicles and wish them all good luck with recovering them and dealing with BMW uk whom I will imagine keep ignoring this issue until their hand is forced.
"2.With the help of software you can renew , lock or unlock keys as well.Honestly feel really sorry for the owners that have lost their vehicles and wish them all good luck with recovering them and dealing with BMW uk whom I will imagine keep ignoring this issue until their hand is forced.
3.Programming original chips "EML 10030A" for making keys ."
Great
I can't believe the mentality of people on here. Its the thieves that are stealing your car not BMW blaming BMW is like blaming the people who made your house for it being robbed. BMW are the easy target they have already stated many times that their security systems are up to scratch , what do want them to do? Employ people to stand and guard your car 24/7? BMW are a victim of their own success everybody wants a bmw, the thieves are just supplying the demand abroad.
leef44 said:
jason s4 said:
Max_Torque said:
Listen chaps, it's easy! Just remove one of the CAN bus wires from your J1962 OBD socket. The wires push backwards out of the plastic connector by pushing down a little locking tab. Then just tape said wire back onto the loom with a bit of electrical insulating tape.
Said thief is not going to be spending time with his head upsidedown in your footwells trying to find out why his tool can get coms with your car for any length of time. If your dealler needs to communicate with the car, they can just spend a min putting the contact back into place:
Remove either pin 6 (CAN low) or 14 (CAN high)
Said thief is not going to be spending time with his head upsidedown in your footwells trying to find out why his tool can get coms with your car for any length of time. If your dealler needs to communicate with the car, they can just spend a min putting the contact back into place:
Remove either pin 6 (CAN low) or 14 (CAN high)
The most sensible post out of this whole situation.
Top marks, sir.
Plus, it could be reinstated before it went in for warranty/service work.
Having said that, i wouldnt own a BMW, but those that do have the choice don they?
LukeMR2 said:
I can't believe the mentality of people on here. Its the thieves that are stealing your car not BMW blaming BMW is like blaming the people who made your house for it being robbed. BMW are the easy target they have already stated many times that their security systems are up to scratch , what do want them to do? Employ people to stand and guard your car 24/7? BMW are a victim of their own success everybody wants a bmw, the thieves are just supplying the demand abroad.
The security system is not up to scratch. From the video I watched of someone recoding a BMW key there is no code required to do so.You plug the key encoder into the cars OBDII port. You then go through the menu and re code a key to the car. There appears to be no code to prevent someone accessing the cars systems and prevent them making a new key.
The annoying thing is that once BMW do something about the problem (or not as the case maybe) the thieves will simply move onto anther marque & target them so the same problem will happen for those unfortunate owners who have their p & j nicked.
It's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little f
kers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off!
If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today.
It's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little f
kers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off!If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today.
http://www.expressandstar.com/news/2012/04/06/thei...
Police are attempting to trap them apparently (few weeks out of date).
Police are attempting to trap them apparently (few weeks out of date).
Edited by SuperHangOn on Sunday 22 April 16:09
s3fella said:
0a said:
BMW should be careful. A neighbour I talk to in the local mentioned "those expensive BMW thefts" to me tonight as his son in law has just purchased an e90 330d.
If they are not careful they could gain a "don't buy one as it will go missing" reputation, and I say this as a real BMW fan.
And yet his son in law still bought one? If they are not careful they could gain a "don't buy one as it will go missing" reputation, and I say this as a real BMW fan.
TallbutBuxomly said:
The security system is not up to scratch. From the video I watched of someone recoding a BMW key there is no code required to do so.
You plug the key encoder into the cars OBDII port. You then go through the menu and re code a key to the car. There apwaspears to be no code to prevent someone accessing the cars systems and prevent them making a new key.
I've seen that too but couldn't it be done on any car? As I said BMW said it is up to scratch why would they lie? Sony got hacked last year not because there security wasn't up to par it was because some whizz kid wanted enough to hack them. With all the computers in cars nowadays they are easy to exploit if somebody has the will power to do it.You plug the key encoder into the cars OBDII port. You then go through the menu and re code a key to the car. There apwaspears to be no code to prevent someone accessing the cars systems and prevent them making a new key.
fatboy69 said:
The annoying thing is that once BMW do something about the problem (or not as the case maybe) the thieves will simply move onto anther marque & target them so the same problem will happen for those unfortunate owners who have their p & j nicked.
It's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little fkers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off!
If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today.
^^ThisIt's a never ending circle until the Courts deal with the thieving little f
kers in the correct way - lock them up for years & chop the little s hands off!If they haven't got hands they won't be able to steal. That's what happened in days gone by & that's what happens in certain 'third world' countries today.
LukeMR2 said:
I've seen that too but couldn't it be done on any car? As I said BMW said it is up to scratch why would they lie? Sony got hacked last year not because there security wasn't up to par it was because some whizz kid wanted enough to hack them. With all the computers in cars nowadays they are easy to exploit if somebody has the will power to do it.
Yes however there is apparently a dead zone in the interior cars alarm system which means someone can break the window on the side of the obd port and then reach in plug into the obd and recode a new key without setting off the alarm.This whole situation is caused by there being no apparent security on the obd system to prevent just anybody from plugging and coding a new key to the car.
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