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mrmr96 said:
Could someone please tell me which types of key which are vulnerable to this.
Thanks.
I believe these two from what i have seen online.
Type 3 (two holes at the top, rectangular in shape)
Type 4 (different from type 3, as type 4 has one hole at the top and is trapezoidal in shape)
Thanks.
I believe these two from what i have seen online.
Type 3 (two holes at the top, rectangular in shape)
Type 4 (different from type 3, as type 4 has one hole at the top and is trapezoidal in shape)
camel_landy said:
Neat idea...
Would need some thought put into the areas of:
M
Same as with a bank card three times then lockout requiring master override from bmw direct. Leaves no room for continuous attack. Car crims are not going to want to spend 5 minutes fighting with the cars obc to recode a key.Would need some thought put into the areas of:
- What if you have a replacement ECU?
- Lost codes!
- If you put a wrong password in, do you get locked out? If not, it just leaves it open for a 'brute force' attack... Which potentially wouldn't slow the thieves down much (if at all!!).
M
The second that a passkey is installed crims will move to a new/old method such as nicking keys. If you manage to lock yourself out bmw can use their own password to give you access.
MX7 said:
Of course they could. Not only 'could' they, I think it's their obligation to do so if there's such a fundamental flaw.
It might be expensive, but it's far cheaper than losing your reputation.
This reminds me of Ford US and the mid-70's calamity of the Pinto. They kept blowing up when rear-ended due to a flaw in the fuel tank design. Ford sat down and discovered that it would be $100 million to recall and fix all the cars or $50 million to simply pay compensation and write a "We're dreadfully sorry this happened, now here's a cheque and never mention it again" letter. No prizes for guessing which route they went down.It might be expensive, but it's far cheaper than losing your reputation.
Either way, I would still be less than pleased if some scrote was able to steal my £45k+ BMW with nothing more than a laptop and a cable bought from eBay....
Why is the OBD 'live' all the time though? If you had to put one of your keys in and have the ignition on before the OBD would release any information there wouldn't be a problem. If your car is in for service at main or Indy they will have your key anyway to do this.
It's just poor design by BMW. They can break into your car but can't turn on the radio or roll down an electric window but they can copy a key and drive your car off? Muppets.
It's just poor design by BMW. They can break into your car but can't turn on the radio or roll down an electric window but they can copy a key and drive your car off? Muppets.
Why is the OBD 'live' all the time though? If you had to put one of your keys in and have the ignition on before the OBD would release any information there wouldn't be a problem. If your car is in for service at main or Indy they will have your key anyway to do this.
It's just poor design by BMW. They can break into your car but can't turn on the radio or roll down an electric window but they can copy a key and drive your car off? Muppets.
It's just poor design by BMW. They can break into your car but can't turn on the radio or roll down an electric window but they can copy a key and drive your car off? Muppets.
ITP said:
Why is the OBD 'live' all the time though? If you had to put one of your keys in and have the ignition on before the OBD would release any information there wouldn't be a problem. If your car is in for service at main or Indy they will have your key anyway to do this.
Not defending them but I guess it's to allow owners who have lost all of their keys to get new ones coded. I think Audi's approach of not allowing keys to be coded without a live connection/authentication to HQ in Germany is a sensible precaution.theaxe said:
Not defending them but I guess it's to allow owners who have lost all of their keys to get new ones coded. I think Audi's approach of not allowing keys to be coded without a live connection/authentication to HQ in Germany is a sensible precaution.
Maybe they should say... "If you're stupid enough to lose both keys, its going to cost you a new ECU" rather than put all these cars at risk. Edited by Matthen on Thursday 17th May 16:00
Paul v8 said:
Not quite sure how it works but there is an I phone app BMW have that you program in with your car to unlock the car with , makes life easier when cant find the keys
Yes, this is a feature available on the latest F models.Interestingly, it also comes with a "Find my BMW" app which I think is linked to Google maps.
I think it was originally designed for numpties that lost their car in a car park, but I'm guessing it'd make quite a nice tracker-style system which I think thieves would possibly have a job in removing seeing as it's linked in with the car's navigation package.
Major Fallout said:
I might have solved the problem.
Before I get a swat team bursting through the house, its NOT a real grenade. Its a joke one!
Try to remember to tell Mrs Fallout to use the passenger door for entry purposes.................. ;-)Before I get a swat team bursting through the house, its NOT a real grenade. Its a joke one!
ETA: unintentional double entendre there also !!
Frik said:
mikel429 said:
No prizes for guessing which route they went down.
Indeed, no prizes as this didn't actually happen.Reference is made to this same problem - including sight of the same page - in at least one TV programme, which also uses the (possibly less than helpful) spoken comment "It was cheaper to let them burn!".
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