Fuel Tanker Driver Deal Rejected! PANIC!!!!!!
Discussion
I will be applying soon. I've got a year left in the RAF, and would gladly drive a tanker for a living - earning more than I am on now, using my ADR ticket gained through the RAF.
Maybe I will strike one day (probably not), just because I can. My pension is getting f
ked over by the government, but we cannot strike, fullstop. So boofrickity, that is one reason for not signing on. The other reason being as the Air Force is downsizing it's harder to stay in, and with commitments around the globe ever increasing you would just never be at home.
I'm off to get some petrol before bed.
Maybe I will strike one day (probably not), just because I can. My pension is getting f
ked over by the government, but we cannot strike, fullstop. So boofrickity, that is one reason for not signing on. The other reason being as the Air Force is downsizing it's harder to stay in, and with commitments around the globe ever increasing you would just never be at home.I'm off to get some petrol before bed.
mattmoxon said:
Nope because I don't have a HGV licence or the necessary other bits and bobs that you need to drive such a thing on the road. It was merely a statement to say that I would do the same job for less than they get quite happily.
Get an HGV licence then. What other bits and bobs do you need?Gaz. said:
RWD cossie wil said:
Sorry but I hate that phrase " they should be thankful they have jobs"... Why should they get bent over by management? Lots of places used the "financial crisis" as an excuse to cull staff & t's&c's, people don't go on strike without a damn good reason, even mildly pissed off employees won't strike, just grumble.
Good for them, I have no link with any of the drivers or jobs etc, I work in a totally different industry, it will be a pita if it does go ahead, but if that's what they need to do then good on them.
If they don't like their pay, T&C's or getting bent over by the management then they should find alternative employment that suits their pay demands, T&C's etc. Good for them, I have no link with any of the drivers or jobs etc, I work in a totally different industry, it will be a pita if it does go ahead, but if that's what they need to do then good on them.
Its amusing how some on PH view the tanker drivers as greedy fkwits. They're well paid for sure but they're some of the most important people in the country, far more important than the thousands of expensive suits which wander into the financial glass towers of the big cities. Tanker drivers are still paid less than 'Management Consultants', 'Senior Finance Project Analysts' and 'Regional Sales Directors' yet are about 10,000 times more important to the economy. Perhaps a little bit of perspective and respect is in order.
Theres plenty of people in the hollow non-jobs like I mention above who get annoyed at receiving a bonus larger than a tanker drivers salary because they believe they worth and entitled - yes, entitled - to more. In the grand scheme of things this lot aren't being that greedy. But because they're in a Union you all take a different view. The Union aren't promoting panic it must be said, in fact they've said repeatedly today to not panic and are even pleading with people to not panic. They don't want a strike, if they really wanted one they'd have done it by now. The just obviously feel a better deal is possible if they string this out a bit.
kwits. They're well paid for sure but they're some of the most important people in the country, far more important than the thousands of expensive suits which wander into the financial glass towers of the big cities. Tanker drivers are still paid less than 'Management Consultants', 'Senior Finance Project Analysts' and 'Regional Sales Directors' yet are about 10,000 times more important to the economy. Perhaps a little bit of perspective and respect is in order.Theres plenty of people in the hollow non-jobs like I mention above who get annoyed at receiving a bonus larger than a tanker drivers salary because they believe they worth and entitled - yes, entitled - to more. In the grand scheme of things this lot aren't being that greedy. But because they're in a Union you all take a different view. The Union aren't promoting panic it must be said, in fact they've said repeatedly today to not panic and are even pleading with people to not panic. They don't want a strike, if they really wanted one they'd have done it by now. The just obviously feel a better deal is possible if they string this out a bit.
The value, or worth, of someone is measured by the ease with which you can replace them. As unpaletable as you may feel it is, the soulless bankers took note when they went to school, got an education and are now earning megabucks because there aren't many people ready to step into their shoes.
That's capitalism.
Unions are socialism.
That's capitalism.
Unions are socialism.
Watchman said:
The value, or worth, of someone is measured by the ease with which you can replace them. As unpaletable as you may feel it is, the soulless bankers took note when they went to school, got an education and are now earning megabucks because there aren't many people ready to step into their shoes.
Nonsense. Theres thousands of them, very easily replaceable. With the mistakes they've made they'd be on the dole queue in any other profession. If tanker drivers messed up as badly as bankers they'd all get the sack. As for the idea that nobody else can do it I just fell off my chair, those currently in the positions nearly brought down the entire financial system. You could put Mr Blobby in there and it'd hardly be any worse.Watchman said:
That's capitalism.
Unions are socialism.
Ah the old PH-fellates-capitalism shocker. Getting extremely boring now, not to mention pathetically inaccurate. If capitalism results in bankers being able to destroy the world and stay in a job, yet Tanker Drivers who power the entire economy are expected to take whatever they're given then capitalism is obviously an awful pathetic terrible system which nobody should celebrate or encourage.Unions are socialism.
PH bashing anything remotely socialist is not a surprise either and is also incredibly boring. The fact is without these tanker drivers every car in every PH'ers garage is redundant. Fact. End of.
Tanker drivers are no more important than any other truck drivers IMO.
If anyone deserves their inflated wage it is the emergency services and nurses etc.
Id be more than happy to drive a tanker under thir current conditions, I'm sure they're no worse than the st ones I work to and it would nearly double my wages!
If anyone deserves their inflated wage it is the emergency services and nurses etc.
Id be more than happy to drive a tanker under thir current conditions, I'm sure they're no worse than the s
t ones I work to and it would nearly double my wages!Edited by djdestiny on Thursday 19th April 07:47
mattmoxon said:
Nope because I don't have a HGV licence or the necessary other bits and bobs that you need to drive such a thing on the road. It was merely a statement to say that I would do the same job for less than they get quite happily.
i will get you a licence but it will cost £500 meet me in the car park of the the dog and partridge 
Watchman said:
As unpaletable as you may feel it is, the soulless bankers took note when they went to school, got an education and are now earning megabucks because there aren't many people ready to step into their shoes.
That's capitalism.
Having worked on a trading floor and in investment banking I guarantee you that 70% of the people there are in that position not because they took note at school but because they went to the right school. You make out capitalism is a meritocracy- it isn't.That's capitalism.
As far as the tanker drivers go it's their right to withdraw their labour if they feel it could help their cause. Personally I don't believe a strike would- any challenge to the status quo will be crushed and eventually they'll be out of a job.
martin84 said:
Its amusing how some on PH view the tanker drivers as greedy fkwits. They're well paid for sure but they're some of the most important people in the country, far more important than the thousands of expensive suits which wander into the financial glass towers of the big cities. Tanker drivers are still paid less than 'Management Consultants', 'Senior Finance Project Analysts' and 'Regional Sales Directors' yet are about 10,000 times more important to the economy. Perhaps a little bit of perspective and respect is in order.
Theres plenty of people in the hollow non-jobs like I mention above who get annoyed at receiving a bonus larger than a tanker drivers salary because they believe they worth and entitled - yes, entitled - to more. In the grand scheme of things this lot aren't being that greedy. But because they're in a Union you all take a different view. The Union aren't promoting panic it must be said, in fact they've said repeatedly today to not panic and are even pleading with people to not panic. They don't want a strike, if they really wanted one they'd have done it by now. The just obviously feel a better deal is possible if they string this out a bit.
You are spot on that their job is important. Unfortunately for them there is almost no reason why any living human cannot do that job so there is no great need to pay much. kwits. They're well paid for sure but they're some of the most important people in the country, far more important than the thousands of expensive suits which wander into the financial glass towers of the big cities. Tanker drivers are still paid less than 'Management Consultants', 'Senior Finance Project Analysts' and 'Regional Sales Directors' yet are about 10,000 times more important to the economy. Perhaps a little bit of perspective and respect is in order.Theres plenty of people in the hollow non-jobs like I mention above who get annoyed at receiving a bonus larger than a tanker drivers salary because they believe they worth and entitled - yes, entitled - to more. In the grand scheme of things this lot aren't being that greedy. But because they're in a Union you all take a different view. The Union aren't promoting panic it must be said, in fact they've said repeatedly today to not panic and are even pleading with people to not panic. They don't want a strike, if they really wanted one they'd have done it by now. The just obviously feel a better deal is possible if they string this out a bit.
You are also spot on that people's working terms shouldn't be buggered about with.
But you do need to ditch that chip about people in suits. Get rid of them and there wouldn't be a need for tankers of petrol in reality. The workers of this country are in a symbiotic relationship and everyone knows this and most people are capable of accepting this.
As for the strike, it would be interesting to know the finer points. I get the feeling it's not at the same level as the BA whingers crying their eyes put over some freebies but at the same time it seems to be about removing some of the really silly under the table concessions that Blair gave them to keep them sweet while fooling the voters that he'd played tough with them.
I dont know what their pay and conditions are actually like but they are entitled to withdraw their labour and go into discussions via the union like pretty much any other labour sector is, I dont think they would be up for losing pay unless they felt hard done by.
The operating companies should keep their workforce happy, after all they are involved in the oil industry which typically is not an impoverished one, even if these are separate companies to the oil companies themselves surely the oil companies wont want the supply interupting to the fuel and in turn their cash flow ?
That said I dont think driving a tanker is beyond the capability of most people who can drive, I suspect most people on here could pass a HGV course and cope with the additional training to handle fuel, A couple of months would see anyone with decent intelligence and motor skills in a position to do it so if they keep pushing it they may well get booted out and replaced by people who are happy to take the 40 grand a year. I think more bankers could retrain quickly to be tanker drivers than tanker drivers could do to be bankers.
It is a bit annoying that the whole country can be put into panic, potentially brought to its knees by a handful of lorry drivers and their employers dispute, the cost to other business is far far greater than what the tanker drivers want, all the tourist attractions people wont visit due to having no fuel so perhaps for their skill and actual importance in the scheme of things they hold too much sway.
The rest of us need to hold our nerve and not panic, perhaps use our imagination and not use the car for every possible journey, look at alternatives like walking or cycling for shorter journies and not sit their Canute like, defiant saying how they will need to wrest your car keys from "my cold dead hands" as if there isnt any fuel available you cant go anywhere in your car, simple as that, so maybe try to conserve what we have a bit longer by not going for a paper in the car.
The operating companies should keep their workforce happy, after all they are involved in the oil industry which typically is not an impoverished one, even if these are separate companies to the oil companies themselves surely the oil companies wont want the supply interupting to the fuel and in turn their cash flow ?
That said I dont think driving a tanker is beyond the capability of most people who can drive, I suspect most people on here could pass a HGV course and cope with the additional training to handle fuel, A couple of months would see anyone with decent intelligence and motor skills in a position to do it so if they keep pushing it they may well get booted out and replaced by people who are happy to take the 40 grand a year. I think more bankers could retrain quickly to be tanker drivers than tanker drivers could do to be bankers.
It is a bit annoying that the whole country can be put into panic, potentially brought to its knees by a handful of lorry drivers and their employers dispute, the cost to other business is far far greater than what the tanker drivers want, all the tourist attractions people wont visit due to having no fuel so perhaps for their skill and actual importance in the scheme of things they hold too much sway.
The rest of us need to hold our nerve and not panic, perhaps use our imagination and not use the car for every possible journey, look at alternatives like walking or cycling for shorter journies and not sit their Canute like, defiant saying how they will need to wrest your car keys from "my cold dead hands" as if there isnt any fuel available you cant go anywhere in your car, simple as that, so maybe try to conserve what we have a bit longer by not going for a paper in the car.
martin84 said:
Its amusing how some on PH view the tanker drivers as greedy fkwits. They're well paid for sure but they're some of the most important people in the country, far more important than the thousands of expensive suits which wander into the financial glass towers of the big cities. Tanker drivers are still paid less than 'Management Consultants', 'Senior Finance Project Analysts' and 'Regional Sales Directors' yet are about 10,000 times more important to the economy. Perhaps a little bit of perspective and respect is in order.
Theres plenty of people in the hollow non-jobs like I mention above who get annoyed at receiving a bonus larger than a tanker drivers salary because they believe they worth and entitled - yes, entitled - to more. In the grand scheme of things this lot aren't being that greedy. But because they're in a Union you all take a different view. The Union aren't promoting panic it must be said, in fact they've said repeatedly today to not panic and are even pleading with people to not panic. They don't want a strike, if they really wanted one they'd have done it by now. The just obviously feel a better deal is possible if they string this out a bit.
The drivers union stated quite clearly on numerous occasions prior to the last sheep panic that this was absolutely not about the money but about working conditions. So are the weasels asking for more money now?kwits. They're well paid for sure but they're some of the most important people in the country, far more important than the thousands of expensive suits which wander into the financial glass towers of the big cities. Tanker drivers are still paid less than 'Management Consultants', 'Senior Finance Project Analysts' and 'Regional Sales Directors' yet are about 10,000 times more important to the economy. Perhaps a little bit of perspective and respect is in order.Theres plenty of people in the hollow non-jobs like I mention above who get annoyed at receiving a bonus larger than a tanker drivers salary because they believe they worth and entitled - yes, entitled - to more. In the grand scheme of things this lot aren't being that greedy. But because they're in a Union you all take a different view. The Union aren't promoting panic it must be said, in fact they've said repeatedly today to not panic and are even pleading with people to not panic. They don't want a strike, if they really wanted one they'd have done it by now. The just obviously feel a better deal is possible if they string this out a bit.
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