Fuel Tanker Driver Deal Rejected! PANIC!!!!!!
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"yet Tanker Drivers who power the entire economy"
Yes, they do dont they? What about Financial Services, Pharma and Aerospace to name but three sectors 'powering the economy' just a little bit more than a collective of HGV drivers.
"The fact is without these tanker drivers every car in every PH'ers garage is redundant. Fact. End of."
As they would be without forecourt attendants, rig workers and the merchant navy - do you see them f'ing around like this? Fact. End of? Yes dear.
Yes, they do dont they? What about Financial Services, Pharma and Aerospace to name but three sectors 'powering the economy' just a little bit more than a collective of HGV drivers.
"The fact is without these tanker drivers every car in every PH'ers garage is redundant. Fact. End of."
As they would be without forecourt attendants, rig workers and the merchant navy - do you see them f'ing around like this? Fact. End of? Yes dear.
Chrisw666 said:
When they say working conditions do they mean they want better lorries?
My very basic understanding is that they demand shorter hours under the call of safety and working conditions so that they can still work the same hours but get more of those hours paid as overtime. Thus a patties through te back door which gives them more money and makes the Govt of the past look like its playing hardball. A lot of the disputes are about getting rid of these little accounting wheezes and recognising them for what they are.
But, this govt just doesn't seem capable of drawing a logical solution having spotted the obvious problem.
martin84 said:
Watchman said:
The value, or worth, of someone is measured by the ease with which you can replace them. As unpaletable as you may feel it is, the soulless bankers took note when they went to school, got an education and are now earning megabucks because there aren't many people ready to step into their shoes.
Nonsense. Theres thousands of them, very easily replaceable. With the mistakes they've made they'd be on the dole queue in any other profession. If tanker drivers messed up as badly as bankers they'd all get the sack. As for the idea that nobody else can do it I just fell off my chair, those currently in the positions nearly brought down the entire financial system. You could put Mr Blobby in there and it'd hardly be any worse.martin84 said:
Watchman said:
That's capitalism.
Unions are socialism.
Ah the old PH-fellates-capitalism shocker. Getting extremely boring now, not to mention pathetically inaccurate. If capitalism results in bankers being able to destroy the world and stay in a job, yet Tanker Drivers who power the entire economy are expected to take whatever they're given then capitalism is obviously an awful pathetic terrible system which nobody should celebrate or encourage.Unions are socialism.
martin84 said:
PH bashing anything remotely socialist is not a surprise either and is also incredibly boring. The fact is without these tanker drivers every car in every PH'ers garage is redundant. Fact. End of.
You do realise that just because you say "Fact. End of." doesn't actually make it true, don't you? Tanker drivers could jump off the white cliffs and their positions would be filled within a week by temporary workers (the army probably) and full-timers within the month.DonkeyApple said:
But you do need to ditch that chip about people in suits. Get rid of them and there wouldn't be a need for tankers of petrol in reality. The workers of this country are in a symbiotic relationship and everyone knows this and most people are capable of accepting this.
I didnt say we could get rid of people in suits. I wear a suit but I recognise my job is quite irrelevent and if I died whilst at work it really wouldn't matter. I'm merely pointing out the country wouldn't fall to its knees within hours if bankers threatened to go on strike. If a suit turns up late its quite irrelevent. Theres a reason 'regional management consultants' don't have tachographs you know.Watchman said:
you could not put a tanker driver in a bank and ask him to get on with it, whereas you could probably manage the reverse.
Based on recent evidence I'm not sure I could put a banker in a bank and rely on him to get on with it! Bankers are people who think their bonus should outstrip a tanker drivers salary so the mentality of a banker-type person means they wouldn't last 3 seconds in the tanker drivers job. After one week of long unsociable hours for far less than they get for sitting at a desk they'd chuck it in. Your comment is stupid anyway, I could put a random suit with no HGV licence or training into a tanker and he'd be fine? I couldn't throw an airline pilot into a surgery theatre and expect him to get on with it either.HGV driving is a tough job which requires a huge amount of very expensive training before you're even allowed to do your job on your own. A suit can turn up in the office, push the wrong button and the world is still ok. If a HGV driver makes a mistake - especially carrying thousands of gallons of petrol - he takes out half of Hertfordshire. You seem to be equating the role of tanker driver with working in McDonalds, some sort of non-job where the workers don't matter. Actually by the sounds of it McDonalds take better care of their staff.
Watchman said:
Tanker drivers power the economy?
I dont see panic on the streets when suits in glass buildings don't report in for work. Pretty much all of the UK economy depends on use of the roads somewhere down the line, all of which links back to the tanker drivers doing their job. If they dont turn up - everything else collapses. Keep in mind we're talking about just 2,000 people here, what other group of 2,000 workers weild this much power over the nations economy? Watchman said:
Tanker drivers could jump off the white cliffs and their positions would be filled within a week by temporary workers (the army probably) and full-timers within the month.
And within two months they'll be signed up to Unite and within another six months they'll be threatening strikes for the same reason the current ones are. You may think you can solve every problem by sacking everybody but thats not how things work.The only point I'm trying to make is theres plenty of people who think their job is important when it in fact isnt. As I said earlier, theres plenty of non-jobs such as 'Global Sales Analyst' which pay far more than the very important job of transporting fuel. In my view the highest paid people in society should be the Police, Parademics and the Fire Brigade, yet a wimpy suit in a glass tower gets paid several times more. If thats how it has to be then so be it, but lets not pretend these suits are more important, more special or any less replaceable than anybody else.
So the tankers are upset because the companies have now changed T&C to allow max working hours from 8 to 11???? Which then means that the usual extra 3 hour OT rates are now non existant???
If the above is the actual reason...that is not a change in Working conditions or health and safety is it? It only means that the hours you would normally charge higher rates for are now on normal rates. And it should only matter to drivers that are usually clocking up extra hours...that has nothing to do with health and safety if you are only doing your contracted hours of 8 per day.
If the above is the actual reason...that is not a change in Working conditions or health and safety is it? It only means that the hours you would normally charge higher rates for are now on normal rates. And it should only matter to drivers that are usually clocking up extra hours...that has nothing to do with health and safety if you are only doing your contracted hours of 8 per day.
what a load of rubbish
if i sat in a hgv, i would be able to drive it, within a hour or so id be happy to reverse it and would feel confident driving it unsupervised.
ask me to explain how the banking system works and i would lay on the floor and cry
trying to elivate the ability of a bloke driving a tanker to some cross bred elf and safty stig creature is just pathetic, this entire strike is just about money and unions flexing their power
if i sat in a hgv, i would be able to drive it, within a hour or so id be happy to reverse it and would feel confident driving it unsupervised.
ask me to explain how the banking system works and i would lay on the floor and cry
trying to elivate the ability of a bloke driving a tanker to some cross bred elf and safty stig creature is just pathetic, this entire strike is just about money and unions flexing their power
guru_1071 said:
what a load of rubbish
if i sat in a hgv, i would be able to drive it, within a hour or so id be happy to reverse it and would feel confident driving it unsupervised.
Off you go then if i sat in a hgv, i would be able to drive it, within a hour or so id be happy to reverse it and would feel confident driving it unsupervised.
What you feel confident about is irrelevent, you wouldnt have an HGV licence so you cannot replace the tanker driver.
guru_1071 said:
ask me to explain how the banking system works and i would lay on the floor and cry
If you asked a banker to explain it he'd probably get stuck as well Just because you dont understand a bankers job doesnt mean tanker drivers aren't worth any money. Their payscale isnt arranged according to how much you know.guru_1071 said:
trying to elivate the ability of a bloke driving a tanker to some cross bred elf and safty stig creature is just pathetic, this entire strike is just about money and unions flexing their power
Isn't everything about money? I'm not elevating anybody I'm saying they're not easily replaceable. Just because you'd feel confident driving it doesnt mean they could employ you to do it tomorrow.
mattmoxon said:
XitUp said:
Have you applied then?
Nope because I don't have a HGV licence or the necessary other bits and bobs that you need to drive such a thing on the road. It was merely a statement to say that I would do the same job for less than they get quite happily.Which is the problem in the first place.<----Not off topic
jimmy156 said:
Tanker drivers get £40,000. Really! Thats astoundingly high, for driving a lorry!
Some do,some don't.Some get more some get less.Some people don't drive tankers and earn more than that if they put the hours in.
What is apparent though is when some people find out what the money is like they are normally surprised at how much it actually is as they have assumed it's a low paid,low end job.
It's because of those attitudes the wages have risen,ok so you still have your billy smarts haulage firms kicking about paying peanuts and employing monkeys every other week but they have always existed and pretty much do the work no-one else wants imo.
For the most part if you look around you haulage is big business now massive even,and the likes of DHL(other logistics firms are available) are pretty much into everything these days.
These are massive multi billion pound companies and in most cases pay well.Like anything else mind its all about supply and demand and the wages are directly linked to that.
The money is only going to go up too in the future,with new regulations and directives more and more people are chucking in the towel,there is barely any new people at all moving into logistics,this will have a direct impact on salaries as companies compete for employees.
Simple economics.
martin84 said:
Off you go then
What you feel confident about is irrelevent, you wouldnt have an HGV licence so you cannot replace the tanker driver.
If you asked a banker to explain it he'd probably get stuck as well Just because you dont understand a bankers job doesnt mean tanker drivers aren't worth any money. Their payscale isnt arranged according to how much you know.
Isn't everything about money? I'm not elevating anybody I'm saying they're not easily replaceable. Just because you'd feel confident driving it doesnt mean they could employ you to do it tomorrow.
martin, my point is that if i wanted a hgv licence i could get one, the lessons take a week (my brother did the lgv/hgv course a couple of years ago) - and the costs would be, what, a couple of grand (although im sure there would be more paperwork required before i was aloud to fill an entire episode of 'police camera action' by dragging a full tanker of petrol around! What you feel confident about is irrelevent, you wouldnt have an HGV licence so you cannot replace the tanker driver.
If you asked a banker to explain it he'd probably get stuck as well
Just because you dont understand a bankers job doesnt mean tanker drivers aren't worth any money. Their payscale isnt arranged according to how much you know.Isn't everything about money? I'm not elevating anybody I'm saying they're not easily replaceable. Just because you'd feel confident driving it doesnt mean they could employ you to do it tomorrow.
. im sure the costs and time taken to get a set of banking qualifications would be both more expensive and take a lot longer.........i would still argue that the tankers pay scale is arranged around the fact that they have a strong union and a lot of protectionisim surrounding their jobs, im not saying that thats not admarable, but doing the old 'safety' argument whilst creating a set of circumsatnces where you are coining it in with monster overtime is, to me, as objectionable as getting a bounus simply because your a banker.
You also need DCPC training now and as a new driver you won't be allowed out on the roads without it.
You will also struggle to get a job too as you will need a minimum of 2 yrs experience at 99.9% of companies.
I,ve been asked by people before if I think they should get a HGV licence.I have said no as it's nearly impossible to find a job (had mine since Army days)
Some have ignored that and gone ahead anyway,then they come back complaining they have spent a few grand and can't get a job.
Saying told you so often offends
You will also struggle to get a job too as you will need a minimum of 2 yrs experience at 99.9% of companies.
I,ve been asked by people before if I think they should get a HGV licence.I have said no as it's nearly impossible to find a job (had mine since Army days)
Some have ignored that and gone ahead anyway,then they come back complaining they have spent a few grand and can't get a job.
Saying told you so often offends
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