Enjoy your summer pint, but...
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fatboy69 said:
The point I have been trying to make is that the current system doesn't appear to work very well. I'm not posting any authoritarian b
ks as you so eloquently put it. At least I don't think I am. Merely trying to get some sensible answers or suggestions which appear somewhat thin on the ground.
Seriously, what are you expecting? Some sort of panacea that will see the end of all DD?ks as you so eloquently put it. At least I don't think I am. Merely trying to get some sensible answers or suggestions which appear somewhat thin on the ground.It isn't that simple, and tweaking regulations isn't going to have any significant impact because people who DD don't hold regulations with much regard.
Like many things, there is no one-size-fits-all solution.
I think our current legislation is fine. It gives responsible people a level of freedom, and is strict enough to discourage most people from having 'one for the road'.
Cyder said:
Emotion filled, knee jerk suggestions are not sensible debate. Nor are they facts or figures.
No emotion in my posts, no knee jerk & figures I quoted were taken from tinternet. Yes I have lost two close friends to a drink driver although my posts were not based on that event.I made a couple of postings that i thought were sensible. What happened? Got called a moron which, to be honest, was unjustified.
fatboy69 said:
btdk5 said:
Good, stop posting all this authoritarian bks.
What exactly is wrong with the current system?
The point I have been trying to make is that the current system doesn't appear to work very well. I'm not posting any authoritarian bks. What exactly is wrong with the current system?
ks as you so eloquently put it. At least I don't think I am. Merely trying to get some sensible answers or suggestions which appear somewhat thin on the ground.MX7 said:
I think our current legislation is fine. It gives responsible people a level of freedom, and is strict enough to discourage most people from having 'one for the road'.
The legislation probably is, the enforcement probably isn't. I suspect that it catches more people who have had too much the night before or have miscalculated so are accidentally over the limit than it does those who regularly drink 10 pints then drive home. I like the idea posted earlier in this thread of a limit that drops if you have an accident, e.g. 2 pints ok if you are stopped at random, but 1 pint if you are involved in an incident.
Ben
Veloce2012 said:
The insurance company didn't pay out, so I'm financially ruined too.
Why didn't they pay out? There aren't many policies that exclude payouts for DD and in any event they would only not pay for your own damage rather than void the policy, so unless you earn peanuts the cost of a pranged MX-5 isn't going to leave you "financially ruined".fatboy69 said:
As above. End of comments from me on this point I think.
fatboy69 said:
No need for that comment. I'll assume that you are one of the 'head iin the sand, it'll be ok' brigade?
fatboy69 said:
I took what I wrote straight from the internet.
fatboy69 said:
Ok. Points taken. I am not trying to be a kill joy regardless of what you might think.
fatboy69 said:
It seems that my original posting has been torn to threads because some people seem to think that i was suggesting banning drinking altogether which isn't what I said.
fatboy69 said:
Which was not what I said. I did however say I wasn't going to post on this thread again so I won't. Probably.
fatboy69 said:
My original post. Zero limit, 24. Month ban & a £2k fine.
fatboy69 said:
I give up!
we can only hopefatboy69 said:
Why? Since when did it become the norm to slag people off on PH because they dare to voice an opinion?
What would you suggest be done re the drink drive issue & the problems it causes?
What would you suggest be done re the drink drive issue & the problems it causes?
fatboy69 said:
No emotion in my posts, no knee jerk & figures I quoted were taken from tinternet. Yes I have lost two close friends to a drink driver although my posts were not based on that event.
I made a couple of postings that i thought were sensible. What happened? Got called a moron which, to be honest, was unjustified.
no, seriously, it wasn'tI made a couple of postings that i thought were sensible. What happened? Got called a moron which, to be honest, was unjustified.
Because of the number of numpties who still flought the law. Yes, I know the law will always get broken - speeding, thieving, rape etc however DD is as always a highly emotive subject.
I am not the only person to suggest a zero limit & I knw that it won't stop the hard core fools who will still drink & drive however maybe, just maybe, a zero limit might make some people think twice before driving home after having a few drinks.
Surely just one less drunk driver on the road would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
I am not the only person to suggest a zero limit & I knw that it won't stop the hard core fools who will still drink & drive however maybe, just maybe, a zero limit might make some people think twice before driving home after having a few drinks.
Surely just one less drunk driver on the road would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
fatboy69 said:
I am not the only person to suggest a zero limit & I knw that it won't stop the hard core fools who will still drink & drive however maybe, just maybe, a zero limit might make some people think twice before driving home after having a few drinks.
No, it just criminalises anyone who enjoys a pint on the way home. In fact if it was zero, and someone fancied a beer, they might as well have 5 because it won't make any difference if the limit is zero.Do we all have to pay the penalty because of some t
ts?fatboy69 said:
Because of the number of numpties who still flought the law. Yes, I know the law will always get broken - speeding, thieving, rape etc however DD is as always a highly emotive subject.
I am not the only person to suggest a zero limit & I knw that it won't stop the hard core fools who will still drink & drive however maybe, just maybe, a zero limit might make some people think twice before driving home after having a few drinks.
Surely just one less drunk driver on the road would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
The limit is very low as it is though is it not? I thought that even 1 drink could put you over depending on your build, kidney, liver function etc? Is your ability to drive impaired after only 1 drink. I would argue that drivers using mobile phones are as dangerous as some just over the limit drivers. I have no evidence to back this up just experience and observation.I am not the only person to suggest a zero limit & I knw that it won't stop the hard core fools who will still drink & drive however maybe, just maybe, a zero limit might make some people think twice before driving home after having a few drinks.
Surely just one less drunk driver on the road would be a good thing. Wouldn't it?
I would probably be a safer driver completely ratted than some of the muppets I encounter. I would never drink and drive and do feel passionately about preventing drink/drug drivers. But I do think the current system works rather well, I like the idea of financial incentives for shopping drunk drivers (to be paid for by the offender).
MX7 said:
No, it just criminalises anyone who enjoys a pint on the way home. In fact if it was zero, and someone fancied a beer, they might as well have 5 because it won't make any difference if the limit is zero.
Do we all have to pay the penalty because of some tts?
Like I have been trying to say - I simply made a suggestion. Nothing more than that & I do get your point about the innocent being penalised due to the actions of a few tDo we all have to pay the penalty because of some t
ts?ts.So what would you suggest? Reduce the current limit from 35 to 20? Increase it to 50?
fatboy69 said:
MX7 said:
No, it just criminalises anyone who enjoys a pint on the way home. In fact if it was zero, and someone fancied a beer, they might as well have 5 because it won't make any difference if the limit is zero.
Do we all have to pay the penalty because of some tts?
Like I have been trying to say - I simply made a suggestion. Nothing more than that & I do get your point about the innocent being penalised due to the actions of a few tDo we all have to pay the penalty because of some t
ts?ts.So what would you suggest? Reduce the current limit from 35 to 20? Increase it to 50?
I'll tell you a true story about drink driving
I used to drink drive, I used to get absolutly bladdered around town and drive home most weekends because I was too tight to pay for a taxi. I did this for about 5 or 6 years from 1992 until I got caught on the 3rd of January 1998.
I was blew 112 at the station.
I got a 30 month ban and a £450 fine. I sold the car I got caught in and bought an old Austin Metro to drive around in so the police wouldn't recognise me. I used to still drink drive in the Metro. I never got caught and got my licence back in august 2000.
I was in a mates car as a passenger one night in 2002, he was drunk, we took a corner too fast and left the road and hit a tree. I broke my left leg, he died on impact.
I never drunk drove again. Theres not a day goes by where I don't think about my friend.
I think the limit should be dropped to a point where a person won't be over the limit because of medicines and mouthwashes and similar, but any drinking will put a person over the limit without question. the current limit allows too much room for people to think they'll not be over the limit, it needs to at a low enough limit that people will know that just one drink will put them over
I used to drink drive, I used to get absolutly bladdered around town and drive home most weekends because I was too tight to pay for a taxi. I did this for about 5 or 6 years from 1992 until I got caught on the 3rd of January 1998.
I was blew 112 at the station.
I got a 30 month ban and a £450 fine. I sold the car I got caught in and bought an old Austin Metro to drive around in so the police wouldn't recognise me. I used to still drink drive in the Metro. I never got caught and got my licence back in august 2000.
I was in a mates car as a passenger one night in 2002, he was drunk, we took a corner too fast and left the road and hit a tree. I broke my left leg, he died on impact.
I never drunk drove again. Theres not a day goes by where I don't think about my friend.
I think the limit should be dropped to a point where a person won't be over the limit because of medicines and mouthwashes and similar, but any drinking will put a person over the limit without question. the current limit allows too much room for people to think they'll not be over the limit, it needs to at a low enough limit that people will know that just one drink will put them over
Phil Mitchell said:
I'll tell you a true story about drink driving
I used to drink drive, I used to get absolutly bladdered around town and drive home most weekends because I was too tight to pay for a taxi. I did this for about 5 or 6 years from 1992 until I got caught on the 3rd of January 1998.
I was blew 112 at the station.
I got a 30 month ban and a £450 fine. I sold the car I got caught in and bought an old Austin Metro to drive around in so the police wouldn't recognise me. I used to still drink drive in the Metro. I never got caught and got my licence back in august 2000.
I was in a mates car as a passenger one night in 2002, he was drunk, we took a corner too fast and left the road and hit a tree. I broke my left leg, he died on impact.
I never drunk drove again. Theres not a day goes by where I don't think about my friend.
I think the limit should be dropped to a point where a person won't be over the limit because of medicines and mouthwashes and similar, but any drinking will put a person over the limit without question. the current limit allows too much room for people to think they'll not be over the limit, it needs to at a low enough limit that people will know that just one drink will put them over
Sorry to hear that it took the death of your friend for you to realize the error of your ways. I used to drink drive, I used to get absolutly bladdered around town and drive home most weekends because I was too tight to pay for a taxi. I did this for about 5 or 6 years from 1992 until I got caught on the 3rd of January 1998.
I was blew 112 at the station.
I got a 30 month ban and a £450 fine. I sold the car I got caught in and bought an old Austin Metro to drive around in so the police wouldn't recognise me. I used to still drink drive in the Metro. I never got caught and got my licence back in august 2000.
I was in a mates car as a passenger one night in 2002, he was drunk, we took a corner too fast and left the road and hit a tree. I broke my left leg, he died on impact.
I never drunk drove again. Theres not a day goes by where I don't think about my friend.
I think the limit should be dropped to a point where a person won't be over the limit because of medicines and mouthwashes and similar, but any drinking will put a person over the limit without question. the current limit allows too much room for people to think they'll not be over the limit, it needs to at a low enough limit that people will know that just one drink will put them over
But as you've mentioned even if you ban people they just drive anyway. So what difference does reducing the limit make?
not260 said:
Sorry to hear that it took the death of your friend for you to realize the error of your ways.
But as you've mentioned even if you ban people they just drive anyway. So what difference does reducing the limit make?
true, some people just dont care what the punishment is, they will drink/drive it they want to and won't drink/drive if they don't want toBut as you've mentioned even if you ban people they just drive anyway. So what difference does reducing the limit make?
it's the people who think they'll be ok after a couple of pints because they think they're ok, SOME of these people wont have those couple of drinks because they wont risk being caught over the limit. I know reducing the limit wont stop everybody driving under the influence of alcohol. but it will stop SOME accidents.
Phil Mitchell said:
true, some people just dont care what the punishment is, they will drink/drive it they want to and won't drink/drive if they don't want to
it's the people who think they'll be ok after a couple of pints because they think they're ok, SOME of these people wont have those couple of drinks because they wont risk being caught over the limit. I know reducing the limit wont stop everybody driving under the influence of alcohol. but it will stop SOME accidents.
It's not really the ones who would only have a couple of drinks that are the problem though, is their driving impaired? I don't know the answer. it's the people who think they'll be ok after a couple of pints because they think they're ok, SOME of these people wont have those couple of drinks because they wont risk being caught over the limit. I know reducing the limit wont stop everybody driving under the influence of alcohol. but it will stop SOME accidents.
On rare occasions such as christmas I usually have a pint with dinner. Then wait around 3 hours before driving. It probably wouldn't register on a breathalyser anyway. While the thought of a ban etc is a deterrent the main thing that stops me from drinking and driving is the risk of injuring myself, someone else or wrecking the car.
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