How important is motorsport heritage?

How important is motorsport heritage?

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xRIEx

Original Poster:

8,180 posts

149 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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I'm guessing a lot of PHers are motorsport fans, we often hear about racing heritage or pedigree, so how important is motorsport success when considering a car?

Is F1 relevant? Touring cars? WRC/BRC? GT/sportscars? Basically, does the billions that manufacturers spend on racing affect what you buy or your perception of a brand?

Dave Hedgehog

14,587 posts

205 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Halo cars / motorsport cars are massively important

Ford couldn't give away there "too radical" sierra for a long time, most people used to comment on how the body buckled on moderate impacts, enter the big winged cossie and a the touring car versions and it was suddenly a hyper cool car.

I suspect Audi would be a fraction of the size its is if it hadn't been for the quattro and the lunatic group B variants that followed. They plaster quattro badges on just about everything they can lol.





Monkeylegend

26,515 posts

232 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Depends if you drive a Caterham or a Westfield.

MikeOxlong

1,121 posts

155 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Not at all.

You wouldn't nail some fat ugly bint because her mum was fit.

GarryA

4,700 posts

165 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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MikeOxlong said:
Not at all.

You wouldn't nail some fat ugly bint because her mum was fit.
And here endeth the lesson.

The biggest problem in cars getting overhyped.

AndrewW-G

11,968 posts

218 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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The old saying "win on Sunday, sell on Monday" was a saying used by Ford, it's something that 9/10 isn't wrong

Tartan Pixie

2,208 posts

148 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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xRIEx said:
Basically, does the billions that manufacturers spend on racing affect what you buy or your perception of a brand?
Very much so and for good reason. Take a manufacturer like Hyundai who have no major history in motorsport and compare their coupe to similar offerings like the MX5 or Celica, there's just no contest in terms of drivability.

The best engineers in any industry are the ones who have a passion for what they do, as such any manufacturer is going to get the best out of its engineers by indulging their passion for motorsport. For an example look at Toyota's involvement in the East Africa Rally.

Through the 70's and 80's Toyota threw huge sums of money at rallying and was looking at Africa as a key market, hence they needed rugged, reliable cars. I am pretty sure that rallying expertise is a major reason why Africa is full of corollas, hi-lux's and land cruisers, not because people were buying in to a racing image (they weren't) but because the engineers had been pushed to design cars that worked well in that environment. Cars that work well sell.


( East Africa Rally. I miss you.frown)

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Vital IMHO.

Halo models are key to everything. They uplift the entire brand. Clearly vast majority cannot afford it but the desire is there and I'd they have a 2.3 ltr D sierra they could claim its something like a Cossie...

vrooom

3,763 posts

268 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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what about good driver cars, like MX5, and pug 205.. they dont have motorsport heritage behind them?

Welshbeef

49,633 posts

199 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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vrooom said:
what about good driver cars, like MX5, and pug 205.. they dont have motorsport heritage behind them?
205? Um you ever heard of the T16 Group B rally car.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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vrooom said:
what about good driver cars, like MX5, and pug 205.. they dont have motorsport heritage behind them?


The Mazda MX-5 didn't need sporting credentials added given that it was a sports car to start with.

hesnotthemessiah

2,121 posts

205 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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vrooom said:
what about good lady driver cars, like MX5?
Fixed it for you....

CBR JGWRR

6,542 posts

150 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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vrooom said:
what about good driver cars, like MX5, and pug 205.. they dont have motorsport heritage behind them?
205 turbo 16 group B rally car.

And also, mazda are the most common manufacturer in racing. (according to their website.)

vrooom

3,763 posts

268 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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but they arent extactly same though ?

Matt Harper

6,623 posts

202 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Every now and then, one...



...begats another...



... with more than just a nod to the former.

heebeegeetee

28,872 posts

249 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Tartan Pixie said:
Very much so and for good reason. Take a manufacturer like Hyundai who have no major history in motorsport and compare their coupe to similar offerings like the MX5 or Celica, there's just no contest in terms of drivability.

The best engineers in any industry are the ones who have a passion for what they do, as such any manufacturer is going to get the best out of its engineers by indulging their passion for motorsport. For an example look at Toyota's involvement in the East Africa Rally.

Through the 70's and 80's Toyota threw huge sums of money at rallying and was looking at Africa as a key market, hence they needed rugged, reliable cars. I am pretty sure that rallying expertise is a major reason why Africa is full of corollas, hi-lux's and land cruisers, not because people were buying in to a racing image (they weren't) but because the engineers had been pushed to design cars that worked well in that environment. Cars that work well sell.


( East Africa Rally. I miss you.frown)
Hmm, I dunno. Fiat have had a lot of involvement in motorsport one way and another, but you wouldn't want to rely on a Fiat in Shepard's Bush never mind the African bush.

davepoth

29,395 posts

200 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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vrooom said:
but they arent extactly same though ?
Neither's an RS500 and a 2.3 D Sierra?

CBR JGWRR

6,542 posts

150 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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Matt Harper said:
Every now and then, one...


...begats another...


... with more than just a nod to the former.
Engine is based on Z06, not ZR1. smile

heebeegeetee

28,872 posts

249 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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vrooom said:
what about good driver cars, ... and pug 205.. they dont have motorsport heritage behind them?
Eh? The car that all but replaced the Escort as the staple diet of club motorsport?

Negative Creep

25,006 posts

228 months

Sunday 29th April 2012
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In terms of car values, yes. How much would mk1 and 2 Escorts be worth if it wasn't for the rallying heritage?