Why the British Jealousy(?) and negativity, RE cars?
Discussion
Pedmeister said:
Really? Is that the nest you can do!? Please feel free to challenge ANY of my points. Unlike you-I suspect, I actually deal with criminals who live live off the state everyday of my working life. I know what makes them tick. I know that for the most part, the residivists in our society have absolutely no fear, or respect for the Police, the Courts, or Prison. A night in the cells is an, 'inconvenience.' A court appearance is a, 'day out.' Prison? 'Easy life!' The vast majority of our criminals are born into benefit dependent backgrounds. WE ARE INVESTING IN FAILURE. It isn't "Daily Mail, middle England b
ks," to resort to your innane, assine parlance- it is REALITY.
I have friends in the police, girlfriends uncle is a chief constable. You don't have the monopoly on working with criminals. What is it you do by the way?ks," to resort to your innane, assine parlance- it is REALITY.Anyway, research has shown, and the clever people who work with criminals realise, that custodial sentencing is a bad idea for non violent crimes.
And no, it's not the nest I can do, just the nest you deserve.
I agree that the benefit system has been hugely mismanaged for decades though and has created an underclass with a culture of dependancy.
Pedmeister said:
Actually, I am perfectly placed to appreciate the REALITY of what goes on in the UK. I see the consequences of handing out unlimited state handouts, whilst asking for nothing in return from the recipients. EG I know of a family of SEVEN children- all funded by the state. Daddy is in prison, mummy is an alcoholic. The six children are separated and in hugely expensive care. The seventh child killed himself at 12. There is something fundementally WRONG with a country that funds families of SEVEN with state handouts. The benefit system actively encourages abuse, not responsibility. IE The more children these people produce, the more they receive in benefits. They also get bigger houses. No benefit system should fund & support families of seven. If you cannot afford a family, you should not have children. Don't expect the Tax Payer to fund it. It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
What would you do with those kids then if you were in charge?I'm pretty on the fence about what's going on but I do feel that people are disliked for being successful due to their brains rather than because of their back story. Although I wouldn't go as far to say that Britain is a cesspit, I am starting to see more and more stupid people to put it frankly.
Their is an inherent attitude problem with many people who are from certain areas of society younger and (most surprisingly) older than me (in my early 20s).
Normal folk seem to be severely punished for just living and going about our normal lives by the Gov. and then punished also by the scrots of society who deem our success or 'status' not to their liking.
Their is an inherent attitude problem with many people who are from certain areas of society younger and (most surprisingly) older than me (in my early 20s).
Normal folk seem to be severely punished for just living and going about our normal lives by the Gov. and then punished also by the scrots of society who deem our success or 'status' not to their liking.
XitUp said:
Pedmeister said:
Really? Is that the nest you can do!? Please feel free to challenge ANY of my points. Unlike you-I suspect, I actually deal with criminals who live live off the state everyday of my working life. I know what makes them tick. I know that for the most part, the residivists in our society have absolutely no fear, or respect for the Police, the Courts, or Prison. A night in the cells is an, 'inconvenience.' A court appearance is a, 'day out.' Prison? 'Easy life!' The vast majority of our criminals are born into benefit dependent backgrounds. WE ARE INVESTING IN FAILURE. It isn't "Daily Mail, middle England bks," to resort to your innane, assine parlance- it is REALITY.
I have friends in the police, girlfriends uncle is a chief constable. You don't have the monopoly on working with criminals. What is it you do by the way?ks," to resort to your innane, assine parlance- it is REALITY.Anyway, research has shown, and the clever people who work with criminals realise, that custodial sentencing is a bad idea for non violent crimes.
And no, it's not the nest I can do, just the nest you deserve.
I agree that the benefit system has been hugely mismanaged for decades though and has created an underclass with a culture of dependancy.
Pedmeister said:
Actually, I am perfectly placed to appreciate the REALITY of what goes on in the UK. I see the consequences of handing out unlimited state handouts, whilst asking for nothing in return from the recipients. EG I know of a family of SEVEN children- all funded by the state. Daddy is in prison, mummy is an alcoholic. The six children are separated and in hugely expensive care. The seventh child killed himself at 12. There is something fundementally WRONG with a country that funds families of SEVEN with state handouts. The benefit system actively encourages abuse, not responsibility. IE The more children these people produce, the more they receive in benefits. They also get bigger houses. No benefit system should fund & support families of seven. If you cannot afford a family, you should not have children. Don't expect the Tax Payer to fund it. It's called PERSONAL RESPONSIBILITY
What would you do with those kids then if you were in charge?I am not going to be drawn into a debate on what I would do with the children I referred to. I will simply state that I would radically reform the benefit system, in such a manner as to make it impossible for such people to breed endlessly and irresponsibly. We can learn from other countries. EG Spain- with regard to claiming for benefits, you are only entitled to state support if you have contributed Tax to the state. Basically, the first thing they do is punch in their equivalent of our National Insurance Number into the computer. Your eligiblity to state support is directly proportionate to the amount of tax you have contributed. No tax- NO BENEFITS. In addition, in Spain, you can only qualify for benefits for a finite period, as opposed to the UK, where we provide endless handouts. According to a friend of mine who resides in Serville, you can claim for benefits for upto two years. After that, they withdraw them. Two years is ample time to find some form of gainful employment. I have met families with THREE GENERATIONS- none of whom have EVER worked. How can we tolerate a benefit system that permits people to reach their mid-fifties-without EVER having worked??
In Italy they offer ZERO state support to young teenage mothers, unlike in the UK, where we provide FREE housing & endless benefits. Guess which country in Europe has no significant teenage pregnancy problems? It's not rocket science- if you provide something for nothing, people WILL abuse the system. Remove the system-end the problem.
Edited by Pedmeister on Monday 30th April 18:42
martin84 said:
This thread has become so moronic with the Pedmeister troll that I'm simply going to ignore it now.
The worst parts of PH all in one thread.
Martin- your comment is loaded with irony. All you have done is proffer feeble insults. You attack my point view with nothing more than personalised remarks, yet you accuse me of being a troll for mounting an argument! ROFL Perhaps your sole purpose in life is to act as a warning to others......The worst parts of PH all in one thread.
Prison populations are at record levels.
Violent crime is falling.
The numbers of UK teenage pregnancies have declined dramatically in the last decade.
Every country has issues to complain about. I'm pretty sure neither Spain nor Italy can claim to be the paragon of good governance.
For many millions of people in the UK, their average quality of life today is significantly better than the equivalent people living 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.
Violent crime is falling.
The numbers of UK teenage pregnancies have declined dramatically in the last decade.
Every country has issues to complain about. I'm pretty sure neither Spain nor Italy can claim to be the paragon of good governance.
For many millions of people in the UK, their average quality of life today is significantly better than the equivalent people living 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.
This very website is chock full of negativity and envy.
It's meant to be a website about enjoying cars, 90% of the time it's some hard up goon trolling every thread in an attempt to make his battered old MX5/Mondeo/Focus/whatever look like it's an Ariel Atom V8.
The genuinely enthusiastic members are all too often drowned out by the green gilled, blame filled Daily Mail reading halfwits whose idea of having fun is shooting anyone with an ounce of enthusiasm down in flames.
It's meant to be a website about enjoying cars, 90% of the time it's some hard up goon trolling every thread in an attempt to make his battered old MX5/Mondeo/Focus/whatever look like it's an Ariel Atom V8.
The genuinely enthusiastic members are all too often drowned out by the green gilled, blame filled Daily Mail reading halfwits whose idea of having fun is shooting anyone with an ounce of enthusiasm down in flames.
Vladimir said:
This very website is chock full of negativity and envy.
It's meant to be a website about enjoying cars, 90% of the time it's some hard up goon trolling every thread in an attempt to make his battered old MX5/Mondeo/Focus/whatever look like it's an Ariel Atom V8.
The genuinely enthusiastic members are all too often drowned out by the green gilled, blame filled Daily Mail reading halfwits whose idea of having fun is shooting anyone with an ounce of enthusiasm down in flames.
Yea, i suggest anyone with political tendencies f**ks off to the relevant section, or just f**cks off period..It's meant to be a website about enjoying cars, 90% of the time it's some hard up goon trolling every thread in an attempt to make his battered old MX5/Mondeo/Focus/whatever look like it's an Ariel Atom V8.
The genuinely enthusiastic members are all too often drowned out by the green gilled, blame filled Daily Mail reading halfwits whose idea of having fun is shooting anyone with an ounce of enthusiasm down in flames.
This is a car website,not a namby pamby,poncy political ranting ballot box.
Rant over..
Edited by redvictor on Monday 30th April 19:47
swerni said:
braddo said:
For many millions of people in the UK, their average quality of life today is significantly better than the equivalent people living 20, 30, 40, 50 years ago.
I think you're right, it is.The problem is they feel it isn't and they feel hard done by.
The education system is partially to blame, everyone is a winner, no one can fail and no one is thick.
They are schooled in an environment where there are no real consequences
They aren't prepared for the real world.
They expect Iphones, expensive trainers, etc etc and many have no real understanding of value.
We live in a consumer society, people want things and want them now and aren't prepared to wait.
If other people have them, why shouldn't they and I believe that's the core to the animosity and the act that started the thread.
I'm sure martin will be along to tell me this is the fault of the current administration
redvictor said:
Yea, i suggest anyone with political tendencies f**ks off to the relevant section, or just f**cks off period..
This is a car website,not a namby pamby,poncy polictical ranting ballot box.
Rant over..
To be honest the title of the thread makes it look more suited to the politics section.This is a car website,not a namby pamby,poncy polictical ranting ballot box.
Rant over..
I had the label 'mondeo man' thrown at me earlier and I'm still not sure if it was a compliment or an insult
redvictor said:
Vladimir said:
This very website is chock full of negativity and envy.
It's meant to be a website about enjoying cars, 90% of the time it's some hard up goon trolling every thread in an attempt to make his battered old MX5/Mondeo/Focus/whatever look like it's an Ariel Atom V8.
The genuinely enthusiastic members are all too often drowned out by the green gilled, blame filled Daily Mail reading halfwits whose idea of having fun is shooting anyone with an ounce of enthusiasm down in flames.
Yea, i suggest anyone with political tendencies f**ks off to the relevant section, or just f**cks off period..It's meant to be a website about enjoying cars, 90% of the time it's some hard up goon trolling every thread in an attempt to make his battered old MX5/Mondeo/Focus/whatever look like it's an Ariel Atom V8.
The genuinely enthusiastic members are all too often drowned out by the green gilled, blame filled Daily Mail reading halfwits whose idea of having fun is shooting anyone with an ounce of enthusiasm down in flames.
This is a car website,not a namby pamby,poncy polictical ranting ballot box.
Rant over..
Pedmeister said:
Vlad/Red, if you don't like this particular thread-who are you to deride others who are engaged in the debate? Might I suggest if YOU don't like this particular thread, you might like to consider acting on your own advice.....As opposed to castigating others for their interest/involvement?
While self-congratulating for managing to use a word (incorrectly) with more than eight letters, please note the following:1) My post referred solely to the title of the thread. At no point did I indicate that this thread is pointless.
2) Redvictor made a perfectly valid point
3) In disappearing up your own backside, you failed to read either our posts and in doing so, made yourself look like a complete pillock.
But do carry on spouting vacuous drivel in an attempt at making yourself look intelligent.
Edited by Vladimir on Monday 30th April 20:12
Pedmeister said:
Vlad/Red, if you don't like this particular thread-who are you to deride others who are engaged in the debate? Might I suggest if YOU don't like this particular thread, you might like to consider acting on your own advice.....As opposed to castigating others for their interest/involvement?
But it's a car site,for talking about cars. There's a political section for your/labour/conservative/monster raving loony party etc rants.You and a couple of others have stolen this thread and turned it into "bhing hour", like a gaggle of on the rag females getting their panties in a wad.....Most are pretty intelligent here. They know what's going on in this country.
Most of know where the political section is (IE not in here).
Are you getting my drift yet?
swerni said:
In all fairness, if you read the origional post it's about jealousy in the UK and why.
It's not about politics however it is a debate about society.
It probably isn't in the right section.
Would you be less offended if it were moved?
And it does say RE- cars on the end of it.It's not about politics however it is a debate about society.
It probably isn't in the right section.
Would you be less offended if it were moved?
I'm not offended,it's just not the right part of the site to debate who is right/wrong/at fault in society imo.
Not that it means anything what i think..
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