Why the British Jealousy(?) and negativity, RE cars?
Discussion
martin84 said:
I'm suggesting you're over complicating the whole thing by believing car vandalism is a social problem based on envy of rich people. 99% of the time its bored t
ttish kids or someone with a personal grudge against the owner. Yes flash expensive cars are more of a target but somebody keyed my old Peugeot once, was that based on envy? Envy of what?!
Certain people on PH really do have a serious paranoid complex and they believe things exist which simply dont. The 'culture of jealousy' is a typical PH phrase, no evidence or anything to back it up. Then theres the rants of 'people who work hard but have their stuff vandalised by benefit scroungers' which gets inserted into practically every thread. You believed that st before this thread even came up and yearn for every opportunity to spout it.
Most people drive boring ordinary cars, most car vandalism happens to boring ordinary cars owned by unremarkable ordinary people. Somebody on here mentioned someone keyed his £500 MX-5 because they think he's rich and flash, did the vandal actually come back and tell him that?
#]ttish kids or someone with a personal grudge against the owner. Yes flash expensive cars are more of a target but somebody keyed my old Peugeot once, was that based on envy? Envy of what?!Certain people on PH really do have a serious paranoid complex and they believe things exist which simply dont. The 'culture of jealousy' is a typical PH phrase, no evidence or anything to back it up. Then theres the rants of 'people who work hard but have their stuff vandalised by benefit scroungers' which gets inserted into practically every thread. You believed that s
t before this thread even came up and yearn for every opportunity to spout it.Most people drive boring ordinary cars, most car vandalism happens to boring ordinary cars owned by unremarkable ordinary people. Somebody on here mentioned someone keyed his £500 MX-5 because they think he's rich and flash, did the vandal actually come back and tell him that?
Envy isnt the only reason but it is a reason.
And the lack of consequences these days for damaging someone else property?
And frankly yes I am sick and tired of a culture that means millons of people think its ok to never work in their life. Not every one on benefits is like that but many many are. Goverment hand outs should be a safety net not an acceptable way of life.
XitUp said:
It's nothing to do with jealousy.
What is it about boring middle englanders that makes them think that any time something bad happens to them it must be because someone is jealous?
My mum has an Octavia, my dad has a Micra. Both have been keyed. Nothing to do with jealousy.
I disagree, some years ago I was parked up behind a 911 in Bristol city centre. 2 blokes aged about 30 came out of the office building nearby, as they walked along I heard "Look at that Porsche, why the fWhat is it about boring middle englanders that makes them think that any time something bad happens to them it must be because someone is jealous?
My mum has an Octavia, my dad has a Micra. Both have been keyed. Nothing to do with jealousy.
k should someone have a car like that, I can't afford one" one of the blokes then keyed the car as he walked past right down to the metal all along one side.They weren't chavy looking, just normal suit wearing office workers. I called the police, but I am not sure of the outcome.
veryRS said:
And the lack of consequences these days for damaging someone else property?
You could say the law results in a lack of consequence for many crimes. How many times do we see people get caught driving without insurance and end up with a fine they wont pay and points on a licence they dont have?veryRS said:
And frankly yes I am sick and tired of a culture that means millons of people think its ok to never work in their life.
Daily Mail ramblings. No substance there. I think you're getting sick of something which exists mostly in your own mind, on the PH politics section and in the Daily Mail.veryRS said:
Not every one on benefits is like that but many many are. Goverment hand outs should be a safety net not an acceptable way of life.
How is that relevent to a thread about car vandalism? Pretty much every thread on PH turns into a rant about benefits and welfare within a few posts. I could make a thread about the RSPB or carpet samples and it'd probably get turned into a psychopathic rant about benefits within just a few posts.This is what I mean by a bizarre complex. So many PH'ers are so obsessed with benefits that they must think about it day and night, seething with rage 24/7. God knows how any of you manage to get anything else done because the simmering rage about benefits is always close to the surface, its inserted into every thread because its deemed responsible for every problem and frankly its getting moronic now.
blueg33 said:
I disagree, some years ago I was parked up behind a 911 in Bristol city centre. 2 blokes aged about 30 came out of the office building nearby, as they walked along I heard "Look at that Porsche, why the fk should someone have a car like that, I can't afford one" one of the blokes then keyed the car as he walked past right down to the metal all along one side.
They weren't chavy looking, just normal suit wearing office workers. I called the police, but I am not sure of the outcome.
So they weren't benefit scroungers created by new labour?k should someone have a car like that, I can't afford one" one of the blokes then keyed the car as he walked past right down to the metal all along one side.They weren't chavy looking, just normal suit wearing office workers. I called the police, but I am not sure of the outcome.
XitUp said:
So they weren't benefit scroungers created by new labour?
No they were jealous office workers created by New Labour. Obviously. And these two individuals in a country of 62 million are clearly an accurate representation of everybody. He's come across 2 people who fit the PH profile, so therefore everybody is like that. Its like a Clarkson survey '100% of the British people..'oj121 said:
Martin84.............are you 'ted' millband? You seem to go into a meltdown at the mention of Labour maybe being responsible or people blaming scrotes?!?!?!
I blamed scrotes for 99% of car vandalism! I just also acknowledge scrotes existed before Mr Blair came along and I dont believe Labour invented scrotes. I go into meltdown because within a few posts every thread comes back to benefits and Labour. The first point of view put forward for causes of car vandalism were 'jealous labour supporting benefit scroungers who hate those who work hard' etc etc, nobody thought to mention they might just be tts, especially because most victims of car vandalism are not rich and do not have a flash car. That bit gets ignored because it doesnt fit with the PH-seething-benefit-rage profile.To put it simply, PH believes benefits are responsible for all ills and will twist every story and falsify all evidence to make it look that way, irrespective of truth, fact or logic.
PH doesnt believe in people just being scumbags, oh no, these are New Labour scumbags.
LukeMR2 said:
Just out of interest do you live in a nice area?
Depends how you define nice really doesnt it?martin84 said:
God knows how any of you manage to get anything else done because the simmering rage about benefits is always close to the surface, its inserted into every thread because its deemed responsible for every problem and frankly its getting moronic now.
If I substituted "benefits" for "Labour bashing" You'd be exactly the same. Clearly you are not clever enough to realise that ALL political parties have f
ked up in one way or another over the years. But evidently only the Tories or Coalition mistakes are to be repeated. Please take your political ramblings away from threads not in the Politics forum. There's a good boy. Makes it easier to ignore you.
martin84 said:
How is that relevent to a thread about car vandalism? Pretty much every thread on PH turns into a rant about benefits and welfare within a few posts. I could make a thread about the RSPB or carpet samples and it'd probably get turned into a psychopathic rant about benefits within just a few posts.
This is what I mean by a bizarre complex. So many PH'ers are so obsessed with benefits that they must think about it day and night, seething with rage 24/7. God knows how any of you manage to get anything else done because the simmering rage about benefits is always close to the surface, its inserted into every thread because its deemed responsible for every problem and frankly its getting moronic now.
I dont think it is. I believe what people are implying is that you need to work for something to value it. If you have sections of society that do not work and have never had to go out and earn they will have no concept of value, pride in a belonging or the aspiration of what to do with your hard earned money. If everything is given to them if someone has more than them or something they want the mentality isnt there to work hard to achieve it. They would rather break and destroy than put in effort. Thats the impression I have got from PH'ers.This is what I mean by a bizarre complex. So many PH'ers are so obsessed with benefits that they must think about it day and night, seething with rage 24/7. God knows how any of you manage to get anything else done because the simmering rage about benefits is always close to the surface, its inserted into every thread because its deemed responsible for every problem and frankly its getting moronic now.
oj121 said:
I dont think it is. I believe what people are implying is that you need to work for something to value it. If you have sections of society that do not work and have never had to go out and earn they will have no concept of value, pride in a belonging or the aspiration of what to do with your hard earned money. If everything is given to them if someone has more than them or something they want the mentality isnt there to work hard to achieve it. They would rather break and destroy than put in effort. Thats the impression I have got from PH'ers.
This is true.However, it has very little to do with cars getting keyed.
martin84 said:
Rich_W said:
Please take your political ramblings away from threads not in the Politics forum. There's a good boy. Makes it easier to ignore you.
Who was the first poster to mention anything about benefits in this thread?martin84 said:
Car vandalism started in 1997 you know. Before 1997 there were no recorded instances of cars being vandalised. It all began with New Labour you know.
Who cares. You took this political you useless fk. Car vandalism or Scumbags on Benefits (not all claimants obviously) are clearly not a new thing. So why mention 1997?martin84 said:
Theres only one group of people worse than scum who vandalise cars and thats people who think their car was vandalised because people are jealous of them. I mean seriously, get over yourselves.
I guess as you've never owned a nice car or given people a reason to envy your permanently underachieving existance you will never understand. 
Rich_W said:
martin84 said:
God knows how any of you manage to get anything else done because the simmering rage about benefits is always close to the surface, its inserted into every thread because its deemed responsible for every problem and frankly its getting moronic now.
If I substituted "benefits" for "Labour bashing" You'd be exactly the same. Clearly you are not clever enough to realise that ALL political parties have f
ked up in one way or another over the years. But evidently only the Tories or Coalition mistakes are to be repeated. Please take your political ramblings away from threads not in the Politics forum. There's a good boy. Makes it easier to ignore you.
martin84 said:
Depends how you define nice really doesnt it?
Well is 80% of the population where you live on bennys and have no intention of working and think its OK to take what they want for free and damage things for fun, because I will put my life on it that one of these little s scratched my car out of spite. I'm not saying everybody on bennys is like that but in some areas the majority are. My Saxo was never damaged but as soon as I got my MR2 I was hearing people saying stuff like 'he must be doing well' (I work part time at tesco) next thing you know its been keyed. I've had people tell me that well known burglars have been snooping around it. I never had and problems with my 1st car.Middle England scared AGAIN, if it ain't the hoodies, it's the jealous people , if ain't them, it's the brown people and if it ain't them, it's their own shadows . Tbh, most people that have money at one point in their life had to screw someone over, and most times is backed up by " it's not personal, it's business "
Obviously there are decent people out there but I found most rich people to be propers
Obviously there are decent people out there but I found most rich people to be proper
s CJ Loves Ruf said:
drophead said:
My cheap as chips MX5 gets keyed most likely because it's clean, black, and a convertible. Jeez i'm such a flash barstid
Society makes me belm at times. I'm sure if I had an £8k polo it wouldn't get touched!!
Pathetic.
martin84 said:
It may sound obvious but I think most rich people have an obsession with money to the point where they put it before everything else, which generally doesn't make for a nice personality.
Im not "Rich" (Whatever that is meant to be) and Im definitely not obsessed with money. However I have never been out of work a day in my life since I left school at 17 and many times I have to make a painful move to stay with or find work.I dont envy other people who have more than me and I would never once think of damaging someone elses property because I couldn't have the same, even though I have worked hard all my life. The problem I have, Martin, is people who think they can cruise through life being handed everything on a plate whether thats by daddy or by the state. They have no respect for anything or anyone but demand respect from everyone.
And all political parties are hypocritical tossers, I just happen to have right wing views.
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