Why the British Jealousy(?) and negativity, RE cars?
Discussion
Solution: Hit petty crime hard. Make the judicial system worker like a factory and process cases quickly. The magistrates should be able to sentence petty crime and hit them hard with community service. Service should be long hours and the period should be consecutive days/months. This then disrupts the petty criminals routine of life and social associations. in short.......petty crime is a pain in the neck for petty criminals. Society will then re-align and attitude will change slightly. That is good enough to solve car keying incidents.
Commonsense party.
Commonsense party.
Country doesn't really stand for anything other than occasionally harking back to past achievements. Country has more than its fair share of those who either feel disassociated with society or feel that the world owes them something.
Beautiful country but society wise, the country needs the biggest kick up the backside imaginable. (and no that doesn't mean a 'nanny state')
Beautiful country but society wise, the country needs the biggest kick up the backside imaginable. (and no that doesn't mean a 'nanny state')
swerni said:
martin84 said:
It may sound obvious but I think most rich people have an obsession with money to the point where they put it before everything else, which generally doesn't make for a nice personality.
Would you like some salt and vinegar with those?Think these two links sum up Martin.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_man#Mondeo_man
Holeshot46 said:
What a load of dribble...
Think these two links sum up Martin.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_man#Mondeo_man
Wow you looked at my vehicle history. Arent you a clever boy Think these two links sum up Martin.
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=mon...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Essex_man#Mondeo_man
I'm not sure what you're getting at though, is there something wrong with Mondeo Man?LukeMR2 said:
Well is 80% of the population where you live on bennys and have no intention of working and think its OK to take what they want for free and damage things for fun, because I will put my life on it that one of these little s scratched my car out of spite
Well I haven't been door to door and asked them, in fact I only know my neighbours name because his post came through my door by accident but generally I would guess no. Its a quiet area, no torched cars or asbo yoofs particularly to speak of. Stolen flower baskets make the front page of the local paper, that sort of thing.Luke MR2 said:
I'm not saying everybody on bennys is like that but in some areas the majority are. My Saxo was never damaged but as soon as I got my MR2 I was hearing people saying stuff like 'he must be doing well' (I work part time at tesco) next thing you know its been keyed.
Well you dont seem to know who actually keyed it or why, but the general publics lack of nouse when it comes to car values is quite staggering. I've had it myself, people commenting on the 'flash' car (a V reg Rover, really?) who own 11 plate eco boxes which cost far more than mine did. I think anything either slightly sporty or with even a vague bit of luxury or power is deemed expensive by people who dont know about cars.veryRS said:
Im not "Rich" (Whatever that is meant to be) and Im definitely not obsessed with money.
Maybe if you were obsessed with money you would be rich. That was my point. veryRS said:
The problem I have, Martin, is people who think they can cruise through life being handed everything on a plate whether thats by daddy or by the state. They have no respect for anything or anyone but demand respect from everyone.
I'd put anybody who became 'famous' for getting her tits out into that bracket too, such as Katie Price - who by the way has been ranting in The Sun about lazy feckless young generation who want to start life at the top, this from a woman who presents a Sky modelling talent show on the hunt for the next checkout girl turned superstar and never worked in her life. Quite hilarious. She is the embodiment of the low effort-high reward entitlement society of which you speak.The sort of person who goes on Big Brother, becomes a Z list celebrity and 'sells their story' are people i'd put in the same category. They want everything but dont want to work for it. They're even worse than footballers/actors etc, thats a talent based industry yet the people the media dub 'socialites' dont have anything at all. I'd also include people who marry into money and most of Parliament. You'll notice I havent mentioned bankers in any of that, at least they do something vaguely productive.
swerni said:
Would you like some salt and vinegar with those?
I was merely stating a fact. Very few people become properly 'rich' by actually working for it and achieving that requires a certain mentality. A ruthless streak and a near pathological obsession with money and a biproduct of those things is an unpleasant personality.Trust the two raving socialists on the site (Martin and Xit Face) to come up with drivel and denial- you guys should become labour politicians.
I've lived in many countries and visited even more. It's only in the UK have I come across this disgusting culture of jealousy.
In the UK I got folks rolling their eyes at me for driving a Porsche, my cars have gotten scratched and vandalised.
In Germany it's a different story- folks are very respectful and facinated by interesting cars and in the USA even more so- whether they're rich or not. The USA is an aspirational culture where folks aren't content to be losers sitting in some council house.
I'm pretty sure the source of this in the UK comes from the politics of envy and a culture of a sense of entitlement- much like the peasants that initiated the riots last year.
With the exception of some rural parts of the countryside the UK is a festering cess pitt of s
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I've lived in many countries and visited even more. It's only in the UK have I come across this disgusting culture of jealousy.
In the UK I got folks rolling their eyes at me for driving a Porsche, my cars have gotten scratched and vandalised.
In Germany it's a different story- folks are very respectful and facinated by interesting cars and in the USA even more so- whether they're rich or not. The USA is an aspirational culture where folks aren't content to be losers sitting in some council house.
I'm pretty sure the source of this in the UK comes from the politics of envy and a culture of a sense of entitlement- much like the peasants that initiated the riots last year.
With the exception of some rural parts of the countryside the UK is a festering cess pitt of s
te!Marquis Rex said:
In Germany it's a different story- folks are very respectful and facinated by interesting cars and in the USA even more so- whether they're rich or not.
In fairness you're likely to get your car scratched here but be shot in the face in the USA. Swings and roundabouts etcMarquis Rex said:
The USA is an aspirational culture where folks aren't content to be losers sitting in some council house.
I've tried to make the same point on the 'unknown ideal' thread. In the UK, too many people are too concerned with trying to overtax everybody with more than them. In America even poor people dont particularly want monumental taxes on the rich because that poor person is planning ahead for the day when he'll be rich.The jealousy is pure and simple politics of envy, where blackmail and taxes are used to better one's lot versus productivity improvements. Politicians from all parties are pushing the anti-car agenda, stepping up the rhetoric used against motorists and people who fly yet seeming to push the use of other energy consuming devices - big TVs, computers, inappropriate levels of public transport (e.g. a late night bus carrying one passenger where the bus does 8mpg vs a taxi where the driver gets 40 mpg.)
The fact that some people take things too far and then vandalise property, cars etc is sympomatic of the fact that today's society is so soft that there is unlikely to even be a slap on the wrist for these people, in fact many people were sent on adventure holidays after committing such crimes during the last Labour government's time in power.
The fact that some people take things too far and then vandalise property, cars etc is sympomatic of the fact that today's society is so soft that there is unlikely to even be a slap on the wrist for these people, in fact many people were sent on adventure holidays after committing such crimes during the last Labour government's time in power.
Jimboka said:
Strange, I've owned cars for over 30 years, some flash, most not. Not one has been keyed/vandalised etc. Is it really so common?
Some scrote even vandalised my little toaster which, lack of PH credentials aside has to be one of the least offensive cars around surely in terms of not being flash in the slightest martin84 said:
Marquis Rex said:
In Germany it's a different story- folks are very respectful and facinated by interesting cars and in the USA even more so- whether they're rich or not.
In fairness you're likely to get your car scratched here but be shot in the face in the USA. Swings and roundabouts etcTartan Pixie said:
Marquis Rex said:
The USA is an aspirational culture where folks aren't content to be losers sitting in some council house.
Ahhhhh ha ha ha haYou are taking the piss aren't you?
Pass the taco bell. Yes that's a euphemism.
As a Scotsman whose spent quite some time stateside I've seen her without her platform shoes. Sometimes I think of her when she's f
king you.I have huuuuuuuge respect for my Savannah and NYC mates but don't think for a moment it matters. One slightly dented St Johns Wood dustbin is worth more than your entire city.
Colonial said:
First world problems.
Vandalism happens in Australia as well.
It's a fact of life.
Trying to score cheap political points over it is, quite frankly, nothing short of pathetic.
The same does happen in Australia because they are populated with a significant number of similarly chippy people.Vandalism happens in Australia as well.
It's a fact of life.
Trying to score cheap political points over it is, quite frankly, nothing short of pathetic.
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Oh and if you are comparing politicians whilst the UK right now has a feckless bumbler he is still light years ahead of the total madmen that inhabit the White House
Marquis Rex said:
I know (hope) this comment was made in jest but if not this is quite naive. Outside the ghettos of Flint, Gary Compton etc the USA in the decent neighborhoods is far far safer than comparable neighborhoods in decent areas of the UK. You can leave doors open and unlocked. It's telling that when my alloy wheels were delivered and I wasn't home they were left outside my house here- this wouldn't have happened Anywhere in the UK. One of my houses is in a decent area of North London and yet cars still get scratched there and there is the inevitable scum and crimes. This simply isn't the case in the North west surburbs of chicago, La Jolla or Encinitas California (which are still alot cheaper than Golders Green or Belsize Park). This is because in the UK some pathetic lefty government thought it a good idea to mix demographs when houses are planned to avoid ghettos of the USA: The result is bricks going through windows if you live in Coventry and scum smashing up your car. Nope- I lose no sleep about the existence of ghettos after serving my time in Coventry and rough parts of Leeds
I have had tons of stuff delivered to houses over the years, some left outside and nothing has ever been pinched, I must live in the one and only place in the UK that this happens? I spent 4 years out there in silly land (various places) and came back 3 years ago. I got to the point where I had had enough of the Union's and apathy in the workplaces. As a rule I found the American workforce lazy sods, the money was great but you can only buy so many toys and my life isnt ruled by how much I earn anymore. Ultimately I came to the conclusion that whilst the UK wasn't perfect it was home and apart from the weather I dont miss too much about the states, certainly not the souless towns. Funny you mention Chicago, I was robbed there right around the block from the Hilton...I have never been robbed in the UK. There are too many guns and gangs in the US, drugs are a problem everywhere and the job market isn't what it once was. Oh and if you are comparing politicians whilst the UK right now has a feckless bumbler he is still light years ahead of the total madmen that inhabit the White House
It's all about social conformity.....
If you don't drive a boring Eurobox, you alienate yourself from the 99% of the population that do.
Plus these days, your Eurobox MUST have the word "ECO" or "Green" or "tree friendly", else you'll be labelled as a dirty horribly pollutey person.
If you don't drive a boring Eurobox, you alienate yourself from the 99% of the population that do.
Plus these days, your Eurobox MUST have the word "ECO" or "Green" or "tree friendly", else you'll be labelled as a dirty horribly pollutey person.
Edited by lyonspride on Monday 30th April 16:08
lyonspride said:
It's all about social conformity.....
If you don't drive a boring Eurobox, you alienate yourself from the 99% of the population that do.
Plus these days, your Eurobox MUST have the word "ECO" or "Green" or "tree friendly", else you'll be labelled as a dirty horribly pollutey person.
Your talking rubbish If you don't drive a boring Eurobox, you alienate yourself from the 99% of the population that do.
Plus these days, your Eurobox MUST have the word "ECO" or "Green" or "tree friendly", else you'll be labelled as a dirty horribly pollutey person.
Edited by lyonspride on Monday 30th April 16:08
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