RE: 770hp and 94mpg for Porsche 918 Spyder

[gofasterrosssco]

I presume (not knowning any details) that the hybrid system is self regenerating, so when idling, braking or not exceeding the power output of the engine, the batteries will be charging, therefore mains charging will only be required after a long, sustained hard run..

Perhaps it will have a limited highspeed run capability (which isn't realistic in most countries anyway), and may result in a situation comparable to the Veyron, which will use up its full tank capacity in ~15mins when at full pelt.

As above, good for companies like porsche to develop such technologies, as it does have genuine benefits in the right application (even sporting one IMO), and hope in years to come it filters down to lesser models at a reasonable cost.

[kambites]

KevSeymour said:

How did they come to that 94mpg figure?

I believe (although I'm not certain) that the standard EU cycle allows hybrids to start on a half charged battery. The test is not very long, so it's perfectly viable for a hybrid to run most, if not all, of the test on battery power alone, thus returning infinite fuel economy.

The official fuel economy figures for hybrids are almost completely meaningless. If this actually does more than about 30mpg over a significant distance, I'll be astounded.

Edited by kambites on Wednesday 16th May 12:29

[JonnyVTEC]

angry jock said:

Emm I know that PH seems to be on a permanent Porsche love in at the moment but lest you forget that a certain British manufacturer is launching a hybrid sportscar in the very near future and it should be a little more attainable price wise.

Dont forgot its bigger brother.

[M@1975]

Will be interesting to see if it actually works anything like as well as I'm sure we all hope it does. If the charge is woefully small with a massive recharge tme then this will be a big letdown. Still, love the old school camo!

[daveco]

As supercars go that is an incredibly boring design. They could have spruced it up a bit-the Carrera GT is far nicer to look at even now.

[Luca Brasi]

94mpg? I believe that when I see it.

daveco said:

As supercars go that is an incredibly boring design. They could have spruced it up a bit-the Carrera GT is far nicer to look at even now.

Yep, despite the fact it's almost 10 years old it still looks very fresh and modern imo.

[El Shafto]

garypotter said:

Crikey, I saw a matt black mazda RX7 with green wheels this morning which looks like the twin of the 918 in the top picture!!

Agreed - the front looks very similar to the RX-7 Veilside body kit. Looks great.

[Some Gump]

fk me.

So Porsche come up with an awesome looking thing with 770 brake, and you all bh that it might not get 94mpg at all times? Is this Priusheads?

I only get 20mpg to get 412 horse*, a mate gets 17mpg for his 500. If the 918 can get 770hp (even on short bursts) with anything over 15, it's ahead of the curve. 30mpg would have it better economy than a 2.7 boxster (228HP), ffs.

• average over 10k miles, a run to the evo triangle gives 11....

[kambites]

I actually prefer the styling of this to the CGT; I never liked the design of the back of the cabin on the CGT; it looks a bit... abrupt.

[Perra]

Some Gump said:

fk me.

So Porsche come up with an awesome looking thing with 770 brake, and you all bh that it might not get 94mpg at all times? Is this Priusheads?

I only get 20mpg to get 412 horse*, a mate gets 17mpg for his 500. If the 918 can get 770hp (even on short bursts) with anything over 15, it's ahead of the curve. 30mpg would have it better economy than a 2.7 boxster (228HP), ffs.

• average over 10k miles, a run to the evo triangle gives 11....

If it has anything electric on or near the drive-train everyone starts going mental. Boring fks.

[E38Ross]

Some Gump said:

fk me.

So Porsche come up with an awesome looking thing with 770 brake, and you all bh that it might not get 94mpg at all times? Is this Priusheads?

I only get 20mpg to get 412 horse*, a mate gets 17mpg for his 500. If the 918 can get 770hp (even on short bursts) with anything over 15, it's ahead of the curve. 30mpg would have it better economy than a 2.7 boxster (228HP), ffs.

• average over 10k miles, a run to the evo triangle gives 11....

you've missed my point.

i'd like to know what mpg it gets when you take a long trip up to the evo triangle for instance, once it's run out of electricity! and how much power it produces.

lovely car though

[kambites]

It wont "run out of battery", it's a hybrid; unless you run it at V-Max for prolonged periods so it has no chance to use regenerative braking, I suppose.

I doubt anyone who can afford it will worry overly about fuel costs, either.

[George H]

It looks fantastic imo. Those exhausts

[peter450]

It looks great, but we all know the official MPG figures are rarely achieved in the realworld, so it will be interesting to see if this manages it or if it's just another white elephant hybrid which comes with lots of headline grabbing figures that dont quite play out that way in real life

Having said that, it is porsche and it is a lot of money, so i expect they will be pushing the boat out to make sure this delivers on peoples expectations of the badge and engineering inside it, which is a level of expectation makers of bread and butter cars dont have to live up to, so it could well be this is the first hybrid to actually be really good

[Flood]

Finely spoked wheels with the transparent aero/cooling disks on the concept made the car, I hope they keep them for production, looks utterly bland without.

[E38Ross]

kambites said:

It wont "run out of battery", it's a hybrid; unless you run it at V-Max for prolonged periods so it has no chance to use regenerative braking, I suppose.

I doubt anyone who can afford it will worry overly about fuel costs, either.

ah, thanks for that

[LongLiveTazio]

Some Gump said:

fk me.

So Porsche come up with an awesome looking thing with 770 brake, and you all bh that it might not get 94mpg at all times? Is this Priusheads?

I only get 20mpg to get 412 horse*, a mate gets 17mpg for his 500. If the 918 can get 770hp (even on short bursts) with anything over 15, it's ahead of the curve. 30mpg would have it better economy than a 2.7 boxster (228HP), ffs.

• average over 10k miles, a run to the evo triangle gives 11....

It's more the fact that if it was a 'normal' car from another manufacturer people would be having the rage about EU test conditions, unrealistic claims that border on lying, etc. Porsche do it and everyone heralds it as the next big thing. It's bizarre.

mpg is irrelevant on a supercar/hypercar. The tech shouldn't be there so that they can claim x, y or z, it should be there to enhance the car. Somehow I doubt it will. Jag's concept was much more radical and cohesive, unfortunately it's also further away.

[wtdoom]

What a crock .
1700 kg
Hybrid tech and batteries that will be obsolete in no time at all
4wd
" only " 770 hp
How could you fall from the heights of the Carrera gt to this poop ? 90 bleeding mph , who gives a god damn ? You've just spent almost a million euros do they think a few mpg is going to kill the deal ? Who wants a hybrid Supercar ?
Short sighted madness .

I knew it would be crap when they showed me the cruise control .

No thanks , I'll get an f40 and a 959 and spend the change in stringies .

Edited by wtdoom on Wednesday 16th May 13:09

[Numeric]

I think the time has come for the EU to re-write the whole MPG test phase as clearly the companies are simply building cars to achieve good performance within the spectrum of the test (OK I'm not blameless here, we happily messed up the gear ratios on a car for CO2 and a company car tax bracket) - with no regard for the real world. The most obvious of these is stop start which works fine in the test phase where an engine is off for long periods, but is borderline pointless in real world conditions as you just don't sit TOTALLY still long enough.

Grrrrrrr!!

As for the Porsche - well I love it!! Damn this infernal poverty!!!!

[snapper seven]

Re the photo caption "Gulf inspired disguise is a canny touch"

Tut tut. Surely the inspiration is from the Porsche Salzburg cars, as per the 1970 917 Le Mans winner, not the Gulf cars. The Salzburg team being an 'unofficial' factory/Porsche family backed team.



Sorry to be pedantic.

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