RE: PH Blog: has Zagato finally lost it?
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It takes a special kind of f
kwittery to take something as pretty as this...
...and turn it into something that looks like the Renault Feugo's much older brother!
And this just made me feel ill!
kwittery to take something as pretty as this......and turn it into something that looks like the Renault Feugo's much older brother!
And this just made me feel ill!
Cheib said:
I don't know waht people are complaining about.....this haz to be Zagato's finest...
They took one of these
and turned it into
They took one of these
and turned it into
I don't think Zagato have lost it.
I just they think they have hit on an idea and stuck with it, which for me looses the principle of what a design house should be doing.
Wild an weird creations should come from a design house, else we will all be driving around in bland boxes soon.
Look at how the BAT cars in the 1950's changed the way cars were viewed, cars became art forms after they came out.
Check BAT Cars, not mobiles.
I just they think they have hit on an idea and stuck with it, which for me looses the principle of what a design house should be doing.
Wild an weird creations should come from a design house, else we will all be driving around in bland boxes soon.
Look at how the BAT cars in the 1950's changed the way cars were viewed, cars became art forms after they came out.
Check BAT Cars, not mobiles.
dtrump said:
I said it before on the other thread, but with this recent zagato bmw attempt.....the boot/trunk doesn't open does it?
run out of cash did they.....
It's just me wondering why this necessitated another article and thread? I wonder if those that commented on the previous thread feel a bit short changed? I guess if Monkey had posted in that thread it wouldn't have been read and some posters would continue to post without reading it? run out of cash did they.....
That DB4 Zagato sanction two that sold last week for >£1M looked fantastic.
As has been said the Z3 bread van and the Z4 Coupe look great already. It's like decorating and 'home improvements'? If it's not going to be better why bother? It's the same for 'modifying'? I'd rather have a used bread van or Z4 Coupe than this Zagato.
The headlamp and bumper arrangement on this from the frontal view remind me of the Chrysler Crossfire. The Crossfire was a bit Zagato straight out of the box?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st May 15:39
The DB4 Zagato worked because they took an already elegant car with fairly uncluttered styling and then smoothed it off even more. I'd like to think that Zagato understood then that good styling is about purity of form. No unnecessary, strips, strakes and other filler shapes are needed. Keep it smooth simple and most importantly, looking solid, without any fragile looking tat stuck on.
I think it’s the simplicity that made that car work so well. There are no nasty quirks of a current fashion or trim parts that look like they might drop off or wear badly. It’s just made to look beautiful and timeless and stays that way.
Now over the years, to my eyes at least, Zagato have had mixed success. The smoothed or organic shapes are always there, but sometimes they’ve over done them. I also get the impression that sometimes the source material has proved a bit too challenging to work with. Certainly their earlier work, from a time when the base cars where simply more beautiful, better proportioned and unencumbered by regulation works the best.
The BMW Zagato coupe seems a bit ungainly to me. You’d think it would be hard to go wrong with the basic long nosed coupe format, but the front end is marred by being forced to look like a BMW (when will this blight of brand identity be gone?), the backend (looking directly from the rear) reminds me of an angry Pokemon, the car just seems too tall overall, but worst of all, the side profile has no flow to it. The lines rise up at the back giving the thing an awkward up-thrust arse, where your better looking coupes have a slightly falling line behind the rear wheels.
It’s all a matter of personal taste though of course.
I think it’s the simplicity that made that car work so well. There are no nasty quirks of a current fashion or trim parts that look like they might drop off or wear badly. It’s just made to look beautiful and timeless and stays that way.
Now over the years, to my eyes at least, Zagato have had mixed success. The smoothed or organic shapes are always there, but sometimes they’ve over done them. I also get the impression that sometimes the source material has proved a bit too challenging to work with. Certainly their earlier work, from a time when the base cars where simply more beautiful, better proportioned and unencumbered by regulation works the best.
The BMW Zagato coupe seems a bit ungainly to me. You’d think it would be hard to go wrong with the basic long nosed coupe format, but the front end is marred by being forced to look like a BMW (when will this blight of brand identity be gone?), the backend (looking directly from the rear) reminds me of an angry Pokemon, the car just seems too tall overall, but worst of all, the side profile has no flow to it. The lines rise up at the back giving the thing an awkward up-thrust arse, where your better looking coupes have a slightly falling line behind the rear wheels.
It’s all a matter of personal taste though of course.
Numeric said:
I'm afraid that the work of Zagato has never floated my boat, nor that of a few others of the Great Design houses post 1970. I think often the cor car was better looking than the rebody.
Oddly my appreciation for design houses lies more in the clever use of ideas in standard cars. The Fiat Uno with its tardis like space usage was a real delight (was that Guiggaro?) and far more exciting than an Aston with a bumpy roof!
Truth is there are some great designers in the car companies doing lovely things these days and the carosserie (badly spelled) are likely to follow the great British coachbuilders!
I have to agree; ItalDesign brought some very clever industrial design to the masses way back then; Sud, Golf, Delta, Uno...Oddly my appreciation for design houses lies more in the clever use of ideas in standard cars. The Fiat Uno with its tardis like space usage was a real delight (was that Guiggaro?) and far more exciting than an Aston with a bumpy roof!
Truth is there are some great designers in the car companies doing lovely things these days and the carosserie (badly spelled) are likely to follow the great British coachbuilders!
A lot of them are still consulting to major manufacturers.
The strangest is perhapd Pininfarina; from aching beauty though the 1960s to 1980s, then the Peugeot 407?
WTF were they thinking?
Black S2K said:
The strangest is perhapd Pininfarina; from aching beauty though the 1960s to 1980s, then the Peugeot 407?
WTF were they thinking?
They were thinking how do we marry up the newPeugeot 'face' with something a bit different and then allowing for the (then) brand new pedestrian safety legislation....nearly all mainstream cars since the 407 (for a while atleast) had ungainly front overhangs that had to be disguised by over sized headlamps and other grille base jewellery...I think the 407 did ok...WTF were they thinking?
carinaman said:
It's just me wondering why this necessitated another article and thread? I wonder if those that commented on the previous thread feel a bit short changed? I guess if Monkey had posted in that thread it wouldn't have been read and some posters would continue to post without reading it?
That DB4 Zagato sanction two that sold last week for >£1M looked fantastic.
As has been said the Z3 bread van and the Z4 Coupe look great already. It's like decorating and 'home improvements'? If it's not going to be better why bother? It's the same for 'modifying'? I'd rather have a used bread van or Z4 Coupe than this Zagato.
The headlamp and bumper arrangement on this from the frontal view remind me of the Chrysler Crossfire. The Crossfire was a bit Zagato straight out of the box?
Wrote this while abroad on a job Tuesday. Hadn't seen the other thread. That DB4 Zagato sanction two that sold last week for >£1M looked fantastic.
As has been said the Z3 bread van and the Z4 Coupe look great already. It's like decorating and 'home improvements'? If it's not going to be better why bother? It's the same for 'modifying'? I'd rather have a used bread van or Z4 Coupe than this Zagato.
The headlamp and bumper arrangement on this from the frontal view remind me of the Chrysler Crossfire. The Crossfire was a bit Zagato straight out of the box?
Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st May 15:39
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