RE: PH Blog: has Zagato finally lost it?

RE: PH Blog: has Zagato finally lost it?

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M666 EVO

1,124 posts

162 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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I actually like the Zagato Coupe and I am not normally a fan of the Z3 Z4 or any of those BMW attempts at a coupe. But for some reason I like that...

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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I prefer the first Z4, but then I love the looks of the Fiat Coupe.

A route home meant passing a Z4 Coupe parked at the kerbside so you could get a good view from many angles. Sadly it's been replaced by a new one that seems to be a metal roofed convertible not a fastback coupe.


The Zagatos that aren't include the Pug RCZ, the Crossfire and the Fiat Coupe?

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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pretty? no. but arresting, interesting & unlike anything on the market at the time? damn sure.


same with the Z4 coupe, yeah i know i'm an owner so i'm just bigging up my own car but a seriosly think it's a stunning looking car. it's the perfect size for a little coupe with a big engine. i actually think the styling details of the previous Z4 were up there with the best cars bmw have ever designed, particularly the Z swage line in the front wing & the way that the crease line flows from the headlamp/front wing corner & carries right through to the rear arch:


as some have said it's got to be hard for a coach builder to improve on modern designs but they should really be doing better than Zagato has with the bmw coupe concept.

trashbat

6,006 posts

153 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Apropos of not a lot, I've never understood all the comments about Bangle & the Fiat Coupe. His BMW work was controversial, but the Coupe is hardly a marmite car. Who doesn't like it?

DanDC5

18,799 posts

167 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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carinaman said:
I prefer the first Z4, but then I love the looks of the Fiat Coupe.

A route home meant passing a Z4 Coupe parked at the kerbside so you could get a good view from many angles. Sadly it's been replaced by a new one that seems to be a metal roofed convertible not a fastback coupe.


The Zagatos that aren't include the Pug RCZ, the Crossfire and the Fiat Coupe?
Wasn't the Fiat Coupe designed by Pininfarina?

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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DanDC5 said:
carinaman said:
I prefer the first Z4, but then I love the looks of the Fiat Coupe.

A route home meant passing a Z4 Coupe parked at the kerbside so you could get a good view from many angles. Sadly it's been replaced by a new one that seems to be a metal roofed convertible not a fastback coupe.


The Zagatos that aren't include the Pug RCZ, the Crossfire and the Fiat Coupe?
Wasn't the Fiat Coupe designed by Pininfarina?
Pininfarina did the interior and I think built them. Chris Bangle did the outside.


The largest image, headlining this article reminds me of those cloth covered BMWs that were on the magazine covers a couple of years ago.




Embryonic

4,438 posts

175 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Gorbyrev said:


What's not love about that. Good ones can be had for £25-30k. Total sleeper.
scratchchin

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Chris Harris said:
Wrote this while abroad on a job Tuesday. Hadn't seen the other thread.
smile No worries, I'm glad you're here.

I'm wondering if your E28 flying wheelnut cover looks better than this Zagato. wink

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st May 16:32

DanDC5

18,799 posts

167 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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carinaman said:
Pininfarina did the interior and I think built them. Chris Bangle did the outside.


The largest image, headlining this article reminds me of those cloth covered BMWs that were on the magazine covers a couple of years ago.
I did not know that.

MiseryStreak

2,929 posts

207 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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LaurasOtherHalf said:
How to make any picture of any car deeply offensive and vomit inducing to any petrolhead: Capture a reflection of a New Beetle in it!

fourwheelsteer

869 posts

252 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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trashbat said:
Apropos of not a lot, I've never understood all the comments about Bangle & the Fiat Coupe. His BMW work was controversial, but the Coupe is hardly a marmite car. Who doesn't like it?
Me. It is all wrong. The proportions are off, which means the lines don't really flow and some of the detailing is iffy.

Look at it, really properly look and forget all the nonsense that has been written. The front overhang is way out of proportion for the rest of the body. The glasshouse is too upright and there's a funny kink in the shoulder line. Somehow I suspect the limitations of the Fiat Tipo underpinnings were too much to ever produce a good-looking coupé. Trying to make something low, sleek and pretty out of a tall, dumpy and essentially practical car was never going to work. It has some nice parts (tail lamps, boot, filler cap) but doesn't work as a whole.

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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MiseryStreak said:
How to make any picture of any car deeply offensive and vomit inducing to any petrolhead: Capture a reflection of a New Beetle in it!
I spotted the Beetle too but was more reminded of that fantastic BMW roundel badge indicator cover. smile

SprintSpeciale

432 posts

145 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Launching in to Zagato for going downhill, but liking the SZ... That is an impressive piece of contortion, Mr. Harris.

I have to agree that the Zagato approach works better on some cars than on others, though. To my mind, this is an example where it comes together very nicely:



p.s. it is heretical to mention Pininfarina in the same breath..

LaurasOtherHalf

21,429 posts

196 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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MiseryStreak said:
LaurasOtherHalf said:
How to make any picture of any car deeply offensive and vomit inducing to any petrolhead: Capture a reflection of a New Beetle in it!
hehe tell me about it, but she wanted it & if it makes her happy then who am i to argue?!

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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It's better from this angle:

http://worldsnewcars.com/2012/2012-bmw-zagato-coup...

Looks a bit muscle car like though the angle of the headlamps doesn't seem ideal to my eyes, though less in your face and aggressive than recent Audis.

errek72

943 posts

246 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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If you don't like Zagato's, lighten up, they are not on every streetcorner, every page of every car mag, or just about every flippin' tweet of a certain car journo, like, say, a 911.
Talking about a car that looks like a frog raped by a pig and still manages to be visually uninteresting though...

fozzymandeus

1,044 posts

146 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Always been keen on this one:



but it might just be the paint job...

rohrl

8,738 posts

145 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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fozzymandeus said:
Always been keen on this one:



but it might just be the paint job...
Are those rear wings pinched wholesale off a Mk1 Karmann Ghia because they're very similar if not.

DJRC

23,563 posts

236 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Design may be subjective, but anybody who thinks the Hyena and SZ are attrocious should never be let near anything remotely to do with aesthetics. Fortunately that takes care of 99%, Unfortunately it leaves 1% of ppl who the world forgot to castrate and shoot at birth.

carinaman

21,298 posts

172 months

Thursday 31st May 2012
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Looking at that Evo pic. that silver coloured tailgate strip with ZAGATO on in it seems a bit heavy handed. They could have done it without the strip and have the BMW badge mounted over a Zagato Z etched into the vertical tailgate glazing?

Edited by carinaman on Thursday 31st May 17:48