BMW 1 Series....a few questions
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Basically...I may be moving house and from now walking to work I may have a 40 mile commute. My 330ci auto would cost me a fortune in fuel.
So I am looking at replacing it with a 120d or 118d.
I really cant make up my mind as to the best thing to do.
1) buy a 2004/2005 model (pre facelift) with circa 80k for about £5500. Or,
2) buy a 2007/2008 model (post facelift)with circa 60k for about £7500.
My main question is about the facelift in 2007, as far as I am aware....
The 118d went from 122bhp to 140bhp and 52mpg to 60mpg
The 120d went from 163bhp to 177bhp and 49mpg to 58mpg
Being a 24 lad, I wand the M-Sport, but would take the sport or SE, but not the ES.
With the facelift, they also gained stop start and other bits etc. But is the facelift worth the extra money? Are these emissions and fuel saving additions a bit of gimik potentially causing more harm than good or just more ecomimal on paper etc? There are tax savings too.
Any insight would be appreciated!!
So I am looking at replacing it with a 120d or 118d.
I really cant make up my mind as to the best thing to do.
1) buy a 2004/2005 model (pre facelift) with circa 80k for about £5500. Or,
2) buy a 2007/2008 model (post facelift)with circa 60k for about £7500.
My main question is about the facelift in 2007, as far as I am aware....
The 118d went from 122bhp to 140bhp and 52mpg to 60mpg
The 120d went from 163bhp to 177bhp and 49mpg to 58mpg
Being a 24 lad, I wand the M-Sport, but would take the sport or SE, but not the ES.
With the facelift, they also gained stop start and other bits etc. But is the facelift worth the extra money? Are these emissions and fuel saving additions a bit of gimik potentially causing more harm than good or just more ecomimal on paper etc? There are tax savings too.
Any insight would be appreciated!!
Edited by T16OLE on Sunday 3rd June 17:36
Did a 52 mile commute in a 130i. Got 42mpg most days...
The facelift 118d and 120d are much better on fuel than the prefacelift cars; go for a slightly higher mile facelift. An SE will be much cheaper but if you get an SE with the 'dynamic package' it comes with 17s, sports seats, sports suspension and steering wheel.
I'd take a 120d SE over a 118d M Sport every time.
You might even find a cheap 123d if you keep your eyes peeled. Not so good on fuel though (high 40s) as they have a lower final drive ratio than the other two cars. Very nippy mind, but as said above the 120d is hardly slow.
The facelift 118d and 120d are much better on fuel than the prefacelift cars; go for a slightly higher mile facelift. An SE will be much cheaper but if you get an SE with the 'dynamic package' it comes with 17s, sports seats, sports suspension and steering wheel.
I'd take a 120d SE over a 118d M Sport every time.
You might even find a cheap 123d if you keep your eyes peeled. Not so good on fuel though (high 40s) as they have a lower final drive ratio than the other two cars. Very nippy mind, but as said above the 120d is hardly slow.
I have a 2008 118d ES Edition 5dr and get around 50mpg which is not bad given that its quiet a quick car (drove from Edinburgh to London today and averaged 58mpg). Its the FL model which has stop start and qualifies for £30 RFL and at 80k it still feels as tight as a drum. Whilst they are not to everyone's taste, with nice alloys and the right colour I think they are decent looking cars - just picked up another car so mine will be advertised soon and I will sad to see it go...
Ultimately it's how I drive it suppose, my 330 could to 34mpg on a motorway run, but it averages about 24mpg.
Which for a 40 commute is unfortunately not enough
Any ideas on how to spot a facelift, I suppose check the reg against the tax amount?
Do these facelift models really do a lot more mpg?
Which for a 40 commute is unfortunately not enough
Any ideas on how to spot a facelift, I suppose check the reg against the tax amount?
Do these facelift models really do a lot more mpg?
texasjohn said:
I've had the car around 2 years and the average mpg over that time is 26. If I use the trip and cruise at 55 on a motorway then I get a higher number but that isn't reflective of typical everyday usage and the trip soon works its way to 26/27.
Was doing a slow run in convoy from a wedding last weekend and averaged 46mpg at 65mph or so over 100 miles in the 130i, the wife in her 120d in the same convoy averaged 68mpg though. Efficient dynamics on the 120d is worth 5-10mpg if you do stop start driving and helps it heat up faster in colder weather.
T16OLE said:
Ultimately it's how I drive it suppose, my 330 could to 34mpg on a motorway run, but it averages about 24mpg.
Which for a 40 commute is unfortunately not enough
Any ideas on how to spot a facelift, I suppose check the reg against the tax amount?
Do these facelift models really do a lot more mpg?
Facelifts have different lights. The tailights have smaller reverse lights and I think the bumpers are different too. Face lifts have rectangular foglights and pre-facelift have round ones IIRC.Which for a 40 commute is unfortunately not enough
Any ideas on how to spot a facelift, I suppose check the reg against the tax amount?
Do these facelift models really do a lot more mpg?
My OH has a 2010 116d - same engine but *really* small turbo. It's a nice enough car for long motorway trips as it's geared to 2000rpm at a "typical" cruising speed, at which it seems to average 53-54mpg. It is possible to see an indicated 60mpg but only if you drive it very, very slowly! I imagine the more powerful versions will return similar-ish economy figures.
Another idea might be to see how things go with your current car for a month or two... I had a job where I needed to do a 50 mile round trip for about three months last year and managed to get my average in the JCW I was running at the time up from it's usual 26mpg to 41mpg which was more than palatable!
Another idea might be to see how things go with your current car for a month or two... I had a job where I needed to do a 50 mile round trip for about three months last year and managed to get my average in the JCW I was running at the time up from it's usual 26mpg to 41mpg which was more than palatable!
No-one seems to have asked about the overall financial proposition and as a constant target of diesel advocates preaching.
If you're selling the E46 330ci - they seem to be worth between 1800-8000 (a few sheds below and very tidy late ones above. but within a few hundred miles of the south-east there are like 100 <4.5k.
So, I just suggest that that is considered - if you're selling that to fund this - are you going to pay for the 1 series, or are discounting the differential in price for selling your E46 for say 3k, and spending 6k on a 1-series - running the numbers - if that 40 miles commute is 20 there and 20 back - that's ~1050 a year saving between 26.5mpg gas and 52mpg diesel - a not insignificant amount - but if you're spending a few grand "upgrading" don't ignore the depreciation and potential additional costs of the diesels HP fuel system / turbo developing ruinage later on. Might be ok - but a lot of BMW turbo-diesels have been known to have problems with turbo failures and injectors etc. (friend is a BMW technician and spends a lot of time fixing 1-series and E90 3-series diesels.)
If you're selling the E46 330ci - they seem to be worth between 1800-8000 (a few sheds below and very tidy late ones above. but within a few hundred miles of the south-east there are like 100 <4.5k.
So, I just suggest that that is considered - if you're selling that to fund this - are you going to pay for the 1 series, or are discounting the differential in price for selling your E46 for say 3k, and spending 6k on a 1-series - running the numbers - if that 40 miles commute is 20 there and 20 back - that's ~1050 a year saving between 26.5mpg gas and 52mpg diesel - a not insignificant amount - but if you're spending a few grand "upgrading" don't ignore the depreciation and potential additional costs of the diesels HP fuel system / turbo developing ruinage later on. Might be ok - but a lot of BMW turbo-diesels have been known to have problems with turbo failures and injectors etc. (friend is a BMW technician and spends a lot of time fixing 1-series and E90 3-series diesels.)
i had a 59 plate 118d SE as a company hack from November 2009 until august 2011, most hateful bit of crap I have ever had
was not jsut my opinion as it was company it was also a pool car and anyone who drove it hated it, seats very flat and unsuportative
people used to ask to borrow anything else other than mine and I dont blame them
just my 2p's worth but if you do get one take it on a long drive before handing over cash
run flats dont help either
was not jsut my opinion as it was company it was also a pool car and anyone who drove it hated it, seats very flat and unsuportative
people used to ask to borrow anything else other than mine and I dont blame them
just my 2p's worth but if you do get one take it on a long drive before handing over cash
run flats dont help either
I picked up a Dec 2004 118D SE with 38k for £5,500 last month.
Good all rounder to be honest, haven't had any complaints so far and is reasonably nice to drive.
The engine is bulletproof in the pre facelift models, and it quite pokey depending on how you drive it.
I just got about 450/500 miles out of a tank on combined town/dual carriageway driving - about 40mpg..
Good all rounder to be honest, haven't had any complaints so far and is reasonably nice to drive.
The engine is bulletproof in the pre facelift models, and it quite pokey depending on how you drive it.
I just got about 450/500 miles out of a tank on combined town/dual carriageway driving - about 40mpg..
A13 said:
I picked up a Dec 2004 118D SE with 38k for £5,500 last month.
Good all rounder to be honest, haven't had any complaints so far and is reasonably nice to drive.
The engine is bulletproof in the pre facelift models, and it quite pokey depending on how you drive it.
I just got about 450/500 miles out of a tank on combined town/dual carriageway driving - about 40mpg..
Is is regarded the pre facelift models are more reliable?Good all rounder to be honest, haven't had any complaints so far and is reasonably nice to drive.
The engine is bulletproof in the pre facelift models, and it quite pokey depending on how you drive it.
I just got about 450/500 miles out of a tank on combined town/dual carriageway driving - about 40mpg..
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