£10K Fun Machine Wanted
Discussion
Funkstar De Luxe said:
Well I've heard plenty of bad stories surrounding the Maserati, but the Porsche? I would have thought those were bullet proof, am I wrong?
This thread may be pertinent to your considerations. The 996 has some well documented potential engine problems that may or may not be disproportionately represented in internet discussions. Talk to Hartech or have them or a similar reputed specialist check over a potential purchase before parting with cash.
I'd consider a BMW M Coupé in a similar position as you if I wanted something a bit lively (which also has a couple of well known problems of which to be mindful). They seem to have remained fairly stable in terms of values for a few years now.
An E46 M3 coupé or peachy E39 M5, however I'm more than a little partisan when it comes to parting with my own money it seems, which I duly acknowledge.
If you're also considering the 3200GT, then maybe the Jaguar XJR appeals too if you're swinging more toward a GT than a sports car.
Or just about within reach: http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3657850.htm
Exact same dilemma as me, looking to spend 10k on a toy..
my short list is an e46 m3, monaro, 996's, cerberras
the idea of a 911 sort of worries me as itd be around 90k at the budget,found one with a new engine installed at only 13k..? the monaro is the front runner for me at the mo in both reliability and fun factor!
my short list is an e46 m3, monaro, 996's, cerberras
the idea of a 911 sort of worries me as itd be around 90k at the budget,found one with a new engine installed at only 13k..? the monaro is the front runner for me at the mo in both reliability and fun factor!
Funkstar De Luxe said:
VX220? Interesting, will need to see if I can find one to test drive. And I know I'm closing a lot of doors here, but I really don't find the majority of Asian/Japanese cars very interesting. Nothing evidence based to back that up, they just don't really appeal to me, personally.
You do realise the VX220 is built in the UK by Lotus. (or are you referring to Lotus being owned by Proton??). At 10k you could just squeeze into a Turbo which has fantastic performance, cheap to maintain, shouldn't throw up any big bills, stunning to look at (matter of opinion) and will easily get 30mpg.Mike
I'd go for a Monaro / VXR8 or E39 M5 at that price range. If it were my money, it would be on the M5. Had a ride in one the other day, it's not as big on the outside as I expected it - the E60 M5 looks massive in comparison, but I could feel the weight of the car from the passenger seat. It's not a sports machine, it's an uber cruiser, but that engine, what an engine. Instant shove, seemingly endless power and the best induction noise I've ever heard, on a standard car nontheless. It's not a car you'd take to rag around B roads, but every time you flex your foot in 2nd, 3rd or even 4th gear and the scenery at the edge of the road rapidly begins to blur as the previously limosine-quiet cabin begins to flood with induction roar, you'd know it was money well spent.
The fact that you can pick one up for around £10k seems almost ludicrous, you are getting so much car for your money. Aside from the performance, it's got a beautifully supple ride, it's incredibly comfortable to ride in, it does the Jekyll and Hyde thing brilliantly. Now I need to find someone who can give me a ride in an E60 and show me what another 100bhp can do.
The fact that you can pick one up for around £10k seems almost ludicrous, you are getting so much car for your money. Aside from the performance, it's got a beautifully supple ride, it's incredibly comfortable to ride in, it does the Jekyll and Hyde thing brilliantly. Now I need to find someone who can give me a ride in an E60 and show me what another 100bhp can do.
mike9009 said:
You do realise the VX220 is built in the UK by Lotus. (or are you referring to Lotus being owned by Proton??). At 10k you could just squeeze into a Turbo which has fantastic performance, cheap to maintain, shouldn't throw up any big bills, stunning to look at (matter of opinion) and will easily get 30mpg.
Mike
Yeah, the comment was really referring to the suggestions of Subarus, Hondas etc.Mike
So far, I think I've ruled out the 3200... Maybe... So between the 911 and the Cerbera at the moment, however I really don't fancy the bill for an engine rebuild in either one.
Final question, what one is going to hold it's value better? The 911 or the Cerbera? One of the reasons I wanted a 3200 is because I believe they simply will not dip lower than they have already, I think it would be a fairly safe expectation not too lose a great deal if I had the requirement to sell.
http://www.pistonheads.com/sales/3765622.htm This with a grand to spare, should put a decent smile on your face.
Funkstar De Luxe said:
Final question, what one is going to hold it's value better? The 911 or the Cerbera? One of the reasons I wanted a 3200 is because I believe they simply will not dip lower than they have already, I think it would be a fairly safe expectation not too lose a great deal if I had the requirement to sell.
My guess is that a well maintained Cerbera will keep its value better - 996s are plentiful and the least loved of the lineage. As 997 prices continue to fall, so the 996s will too. However, you might spend more in maintaining the Cerbera than the 911, and this might offset the depreciation.The 3200, likewise, will probably have further to fall - GranSports won't stay where they are forever, given the high prices of fuel and maintenance, and as their current owners gradually move on. As they fall, they'll push the 4200s gradually lower, and then the 3200s.
mft said:
Funkstar De Luxe said:
Final question, what one is going to hold it's value better? The 911 or the Cerbera? One of the reasons I wanted a 3200 is because I believe they simply will not dip lower than they have already, I think it would be a fairly safe expectation not too lose a great deal if I had the requirement to sell.
My guess is that a well maintained Cerbera will keep its value better - 996s are plentiful and the least loved of the lineage. As 997 prices continue to fall, so the 996s will too. However, you might spend more in maintaining the Cerbera than the 911, and this might offset the depreciation.The 3200, likewise, will probably have further to fall - GranSports won't stay where they are forever, given the high prices of fuel and maintenance, and as their current owners gradually move on. As they fall, they'll push the 4200s gradually lower, and then the 3200s.
LukeSi said:
If they go the way of other TVRs then the Cerbs might start going up in value.
Cerbs Cost a lot to keep on the road, They hold there value but if you want to keep it in good order it will cost A LOT!! lol Trust me i have been under mine for the last 8 months they are at an age where they need work sooner or not so later.scotty_d said:
LukeSi said:
If they go the way of other TVRs then the Cerbs might start going up in value.
Cerbs Cost a lot to keep on the road, They hold there value but if you want to keep it in good order it will cost A LOT!! lol Trust me i have been under mine for the last 8 months they are at an age where they need work sooner or not so later.An early 996 is also not the bombproof bargain many think they are, they have a host of issues (not least the looks and interior).
Personally for 10k I'd be after a Chim, Z4 3.0 (poss also an M roadster but running costs are more), VX220, Elise or Monaro.
I was thinking about a similar thing the other day myself. I have a certain amount of inheritance put aside also and was wondering about spending a similar sum on a toy, once the extension is built and paid for, plus a few other things that need doing. The trouble is I already have a (much cheaper) fun car and I don't have room for another. I could of course sell what I already have and buy a replacement, but then I haven't had it long. So I got to thinking that spending some of that money on restoring and improving what I already have may be a better option and result in me having a mint exampe of what might one be a bit of a future classic.
Anyway, back to the OP's dilemma. I like the idea of a Monaro personally, but a really nicely sorted late Chimaera would be good also - having owned an RV8 powered TVR before. The potential for eye watering bills on an older Porsche would keep me awake at night and reduce the enjoyment of ownership. Same goes for the Maser.
Anyway, back to the OP's dilemma. I like the idea of a Monaro personally, but a really nicely sorted late Chimaera would be good also - having owned an RV8 powered TVR before. The potential for eye watering bills on an older Porsche would keep me awake at night and reduce the enjoyment of ownership. Same goes for the Maser.
If 996's really are as prone to engine failure as so widely discussed on here then why aren't more cars advertised as having had engine rebuilds? And why does the poll elsewhere on here suggest it's a fair degree of scaremongering rather than actual fact.
I'm not saying it never happens, just questioning if it's as much of a problem as it's made out to be.
I'm not saying it never happens, just questioning if it's as much of a problem as it's made out to be.
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