RE: You Know You Want To: £20K Porsche 996 Turbo
Discussion
now corrected, "most likely".pagani1 said:
The reason 996 4S's are the same price as 996 Turbo's is that they are a better drive than the Turbo on B roads and the Turbo is primarily a motorway car for the average driver.
Depreciation on the turbo is due to high numbers made & currently available on the second hand market, which has depressed prices, whereas 4S's are less common-supply & demand rules.
There will be a £10k Turbo level by 2014-5 so patience could reward you
Please don't take this personally, but that is some if the biggest load of tosh I have ever read on PH.Depreciation on the turbo is due to high numbers made & currently available on the second hand market, which has depressed prices, whereas 4S's are less common-supply & demand rules.
There will be a £10k Turbo level by 2014-5 so patience could reward you
I can't be bothered disecting your post as every point is wrong.
I think this car suffers from nothing worse than a poor advert.
It has been for sale for yonks-I've seen it on here month after month. The pictures were taken in the autumn, which dates the ad and suggests the car has sat around for a while.
The trader's website has more recent images, though these are again lazy. These show the car in a cul-de-sac with neighbour's BT van on display. This is not the way to sell a 911 turbo.
People are buying a dream. Don't distract them with a transit van.
It has been for sale for yonks-I've seen it on here month after month. The pictures were taken in the autumn, which dates the ad and suggests the car has sat around for a while.
The trader's website has more recent images, though these are again lazy. These show the car in a cul-de-sac with neighbour's BT van on display. This is not the way to sell a 911 turbo.
People are buying a dream. Don't distract them with a transit van.
Some useful stuff and a whole load of trolling 
I think CJB1 was trying to be helpful.
Any 911 is going to be a wonderful car to own. I am lucky enough to have 2 and both are worth more now than when I bought them, but both have cost me much more than the original cost to maintain them.
I would be called a beard, but me preference is for the pre water cooled ones. The reason for this is not snobberey, it is just that peversely they are more flawed and require to be driven and to have a level of concentration used required to drive them well.... when you get it right it is a great feeling.
Porsche have since the 996 tried hard to make them easier to drive.... don't shout it is simply true, does not make them bad cars, just different. However they have also made them faster than the earlier cars.... you take your choice and buy accordingly.
The other factor (for me at least) is that Porsche have (in comparrison) have not been over engineering them to the same degree. I had a boxster for a couple of years and it was a great car and cost me less on maintenance than the older cars, but the things that failed on it suprised me. The guys who look after my cars say the same thing.
Coming back to the topic, history tells us that in terms of residuals and demand the rarer and more exreme cars are the ones that accumulate value the fastest. Surely the 996TT comes in to this category and it does not seem to have the same engine woes as the standard 996 as it is based on the older engine.... a good investment, fast, but high running costs... but just not for me personally.
I think CJB1 was trying to be helpful.Any 911 is going to be a wonderful car to own. I am lucky enough to have 2 and both are worth more now than when I bought them, but both have cost me much more than the original cost to maintain them.
I would be called a beard, but me preference is for the pre water cooled ones. The reason for this is not snobberey, it is just that peversely they are more flawed and require to be driven and to have a level of concentration used required to drive them well.... when you get it right it is a great feeling.
Porsche have since the 996 tried hard to make them easier to drive.... don't shout it is simply true, does not make them bad cars, just different. However they have also made them faster than the earlier cars.... you take your choice and buy accordingly.
The other factor (for me at least) is that Porsche have (in comparrison) have not been over engineering them to the same degree. I had a boxster for a couple of years and it was a great car and cost me less on maintenance than the older cars, but the things that failed on it suprised me. The guys who look after my cars say the same thing.
Coming back to the topic, history tells us that in terms of residuals and demand the rarer and more exreme cars are the ones that accumulate value the fastest. Surely the 996TT comes in to this category and it does not seem to have the same engine woes as the standard 996 as it is based on the older engine.... a good investment, fast, but high running costs... but just not for me personally.
Andy N said:
Coming back to the topic, history tells us that in terms of residuals and demand the rarer and more exreme cars are the ones that accumulate value the fastest. Surely the 996TT comes in to this category and it does not seem to have the same engine woes as the standard 996 as it is based on the older engine.... a good investment, fast, but high running costs... but just not for me personally.
996Turbo is not a rare car mate. Agree about the engine woes... but its never gonna be a good investment! It could be alot of fun though. My 996 turbo was alot of fun. Did Ring trips and trackdays as well as shopping trips and a GPS 190mph+ with my mum and sister on board once 
You cant look at cars like this as a sound financial proposition in my opinion. You buy them to use and experience and enjoy. I don't regret buying it at all even though it cost ALOT to look after... £12k+ plus in just a few years and not that many miles but lifes for living huh! and I have some great memories and owned a 911 Turbo, which I think every petrolhead should at some point. I always dreamed of it as a kid!
BlimeyCharlie said:
I think this car suffers from nothing worse than a poor advert.
Its not a great ad... but I dont think thats the problem. IMHO the problem is its done over 100k miles... and there are ALOT of 996 Turbos for sale that are not alot more money and with alot less miles.Personally I'd not be put off just by the miles (Buy on condition etc etc) but I think lots are. I sold my 02spec car with some juicy bits on it and 40k less miles for just a few thosusand more..
also juicy fast cars just arent in demand in this economic enviroment and with fuel prices where they are...
look at the cost of other cars like V10 M5's and M6's and Bentleys. Some amazing value out there... but LOTS of choice so prices staying low
Edited by Porkie on Tuesday 26th June 11:47
i would love another Porsche - but because of disability its just too low for me to get in/out
as regards costs - i've had a 944S and various 911's inc the infamous whale tail turbo! - far cheaper to maintain than my current Range Rover
its the only 'supercar' you can use as a daily runabout
as regards costs - i've had a 944S and various 911's inc the infamous whale tail turbo! - far cheaper to maintain than my current Range Rover
its the only 'supercar' you can use as a daily runabout
Zippee said:
Yes a TVR owner. I've driven the 996T (though not an S) and yes it's quick, bloody quick but it just didn't feel special to me. As an everyday car I'd have one in a heartbeat but as a toy? I can fully understand why people love them, just not me - I could quite easily afford one but choose not to as it just lacked that little something.
Likewise I've just come out of a courtesy car Cayman S I've been driving for 2 months (I know it's not the same as the turbo) it was comfy, quick, handled extremely well but I was bored of it and didn't just 'want' to go for a drive. Each to their own and all that but I'd rather stick with the stroppy cow I currently drive
Another TVR owner here! Although I do love the 996 Turbo, I don't think there is much out there at any price that can match the excitement of driving a TVR on track or on the road, every second in a TVR is a memorable one which is why I love them so much. Not to mention the TVR club who are all insanely enthusiastic about their cars.Likewise I've just come out of a courtesy car Cayman S I've been driving for 2 months (I know it's not the same as the turbo) it was comfy, quick, handled extremely well but I was bored of it and didn't just 'want' to go for a drive. Each to their own and all that but I'd rather stick with the stroppy cow I currently drive
Your Chimaera was a beautiful car by the way, love the colour scheme and the T350 is probably the best looking of the modern TVR's fantastic! I have debated buying a T350 many a time.
good post...Andy N said:
Some useful stuff and a whole load of trolling I think CJB1 was trying to be helpful.
Any 911 is going to be a wonderful car to own. I am lucky enough to have 2 and both are worth more now than when I bought them, but both have cost me much more than the original cost to maintain them.
I would be called a beard, but me preference is for the pre water cooled ones. The reason for this is not snobberey, it is just that peversely they are more flawed and require to be driven and to have a level of concentration used required to drive them well.... when you get it right it is a great feeling.
Porsche have since the 996 tried hard to make them easier to drive.... don't shout it is simply true, does not make them bad cars, just different. However they have also made them faster than the earlier cars.... you take your choice and buy accordingly.
The other factor (for me at least) is that Porsche have (in comparrison) have not been over engineering them to the same degree. I had a boxster for a couple of years and it was a great car and cost me less on maintenance than the older cars, but the things that failed on it suprised me. The guys who look after my cars say the same thing.
Coming back to the topic, history tells us that in terms of residuals and demand the rarer and more exreme cars are the ones that accumulate value the fastest. Surely the 996TT comes in to this category and it does not seem to have the same engine woes as the standard 996 as it is based on the older engine.... a good investment, fast, but high running costs... but just not for me personally.
I think CJB1 was trying to be helpful.Any 911 is going to be a wonderful car to own. I am lucky enough to have 2 and both are worth more now than when I bought them, but both have cost me much more than the original cost to maintain them.
I would be called a beard, but me preference is for the pre water cooled ones. The reason for this is not snobberey, it is just that peversely they are more flawed and require to be driven and to have a level of concentration used required to drive them well.... when you get it right it is a great feeling.
Porsche have since the 996 tried hard to make them easier to drive.... don't shout it is simply true, does not make them bad cars, just different. However they have also made them faster than the earlier cars.... you take your choice and buy accordingly.
The other factor (for me at least) is that Porsche have (in comparrison) have not been over engineering them to the same degree. I had a boxster for a couple of years and it was a great car and cost me less on maintenance than the older cars, but the things that failed on it suprised me. The guys who look after my cars say the same thing.
Coming back to the topic, history tells us that in terms of residuals and demand the rarer and more exreme cars are the ones that accumulate value the fastest. Surely the 996TT comes in to this category and it does not seem to have the same engine woes as the standard 996 as it is based on the older engine.... a good investment, fast, but high running costs... but just not for me personally.
I've had one for two years and I love it. The best car I've ever owned. (had a 993 before) Goes like s
t off a shovel, and sticks to the road like st to a blanket. A great comfortable little GT cruiser with all the horses on tap when you need them. I thought about changing it a couple of times but then I just look at it and can't imagine anything prettier sitting there - well maybe a Turbo 997.
t off a shovel, and sticks to the road like st to a blanket. A great comfortable little GT cruiser with all the horses on tap when you need them. I thought about changing it a couple of times but then I just look at it and can't imagine anything prettier sitting there - well maybe a Turbo 997.If you want an investment buy the 993 Turbo, if you want something more modern get the 997 Turbo, if you want something which is almost as good and fantastic value get the 996.
I'm looking at getting a 997 soon, this thread is seriously making me consider saving a fortune and buying the 996 instead.
I'm looking at getting a 997 soon, this thread is seriously making me consider saving a fortune and buying the 996 instead.
Porkie said:
Its not a great ad... but I dont think thats the problem. IMHO the problem is its done over 100k miles... and there are ALOT of 996 Turbos for sale that are not alot more money and with alot less miles.
Personally I'd not be put off just by the miles (Buy on condition etc etc) but I think lots are.
I wouldn't be put off personally but you buy knowing that when you sell it on everyone else will be. Its a self-fulfilling prophecy.Personally I'd not be put off just by the miles (Buy on condition etc etc) but I think lots are.
Agree with you, I would infinitely rather spend a couple of grand more for 40k less miles just to get rid of the hassle of selling on.
Zippee said:
That'll likely be Clives car, was it last year? He took me for a spin before the show opened and my god it was fast.
It was last year, there was a white Continental GT Speed and an F430 Scuderia behind trying hard to keep up but neither could quite manage it 
I was blown away with the performance. I thought TVR's had some power. Porkie said:
996Turbo is not a rare car mate. Agree about the engine woes... but its never gonna be a good investment! It could be alot of fun though. My 996 turbo was alot of fun. Did Ring trips and trackdays as well as shopping trips and a GPS 190mph+ with my mum and sister on board once
190+MPH with your Mother and Sister on board! either they are two very calm and measured individuals or the 996Turbo hides the speed very well indeed.I drove around 140+ MPH on the continent (of course) in my 740i Sport and it felt like 80/90 MPH as it was very insulated.
In my Rover track car 100MPH feels very fast as it makes a lot of noise.
Perhaps this is testament to how well built and solid these 996's are.
Nice work.
Dr Imran T said:
190+MPH with your Mother and Sister on board! either they are two very calm and measured individuals or the 996Turbo hides the speed very well indeed.
I drove around 140+ MPH on the continent (of course) in my 740i Sport and it felt like 80/90 MPH as it was very insulated.
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My mum was scrunched up in the back reading a paper, was in 2007 on way to Rugby world cup final in Paris. We were going out there every weekend for the games. Was great fun.... I drove around 140+ MPH on the continent (of course) in my 740i Sport and it felt like 80/90 MPH as it was very insulated.
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As you say the smooth and amazing roads on continent make big speeds very different to England. I did it on the that well known derestricted french Autobhan
the A16 Peage My mums quote was 'I can see what you are doing and I am NOT impressed' Was NOTHING else on the road but I do appreciate this is not very socially acceptable behaviour and something I shouldnt be repeating!
all is well at those sort of speeds until something goes wrong!
Porkie said:
My mum was scrunched up in the back reading a paper, was in 2007 on way to Rugby world cup final in Paris. We were going out there every weekend for the games. Was great fun....
As you say the smooth and amazing roads on continent make big speeds very different to England. I did it on the that well known derestricted french Autobhan the A16 Peage
My mums quote was 'I can see what you are doing and I am NOT impressed' Was NOTHING else on the road but I do appreciate this is not very socially acceptable behaviour and something I shouldnt be repeating!
As you say the smooth and amazing roads on continent make big speeds very different to England. I did it on the that well known derestricted french Autobhan
the A16 Peage My mums quote was 'I can see what you are doing and I am NOT impressed' Was NOTHING else on the road but I do appreciate this is not very socially acceptable behaviour and something I shouldnt be repeating!
I'm curious if anyone has been to see this actual car?
With regard to price, I can't see them coming down any more. Or everyone would have one.
And rarity? I last saw one on the road back in February. Agree not F40 rare, but I must see a 997 turbo nearly every day by way of comparison. I'm one of those squares that notice what is coming in the opposite direction, even on a motorway, just by the roofline or shape in the far distance (I try not to cause too many shunts doing this).
I owned a 964 turbo 10 years ago. My face nearly fell off with the nature of the acceleration when the vendor took me out in it. He safely overtook/blitzed an old guy in his Rover (not Tony Pond-RIP) as we left a 30 mph zone. Intoxicating.
I'd always wanted one and I loved every minute of ownership. Then one day I woke up and decided it was time to sell it. I was glad when it went, as I just felt the law of averages was going to catch up with me.
When did anyone last see a 911 being given some stick? They seem to just tootle 'round to me?
With regard to price, I can't see them coming down any more. Or everyone would have one.
And rarity? I last saw one on the road back in February. Agree not F40 rare, but I must see a 997 turbo nearly every day by way of comparison. I'm one of those squares that notice what is coming in the opposite direction, even on a motorway, just by the roofline or shape in the far distance (I try not to cause too many shunts doing this).
I owned a 964 turbo 10 years ago. My face nearly fell off with the nature of the acceleration when the vendor took me out in it. He safely overtook/blitzed an old guy in his Rover (not Tony Pond-RIP) as we left a 30 mph zone. Intoxicating.
I'd always wanted one and I loved every minute of ownership. Then one day I woke up and decided it was time to sell it. I was glad when it went, as I just felt the law of averages was going to catch up with me.
When did anyone last see a 911 being given some stick? They seem to just tootle 'round to me?
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