Stolen 1M CCTV footage
Discussion
TankRizzo said:
Like someone said, surely easiest thing is alarm switched on = OBD disabled. Could just be done via software.
That would most likely have to be done by BMW who have yet to admit they have a problem with their security systems.Until that happens there are other things that *you* can do to protect your own car.
If the lock on your front door was found to have a design fault that allowed thieves easy access, would you sit around waiting for the builder of your house or the lock manufacturer to come up with a solution, or would you be logging off and heading straight for B&Q?.
Every time I see these CCTV car thefts, I do wonder why the owners don't have motion detection set up? Its really not hard to have email / text alerts that send you a picture of the detected movement. If you arent monitoring the CCTV 24/7, or you dont use motion detection, as a preventative measure it is useless.
Moog72 said:
I suspect with the Olympics just around the corner and BMW's heavy involvement / games car sponsorship, they really don't want this kind of story floating around and are desperately trying to keep a lid on it, much to their reputation's detriment in the long(er) term.
I'm sure you're right, but it's a foolish strategy for BMW, given how quickly information spreads these days. Sooner or later they will have to acknowledge and fix the problem. Coming out with this sort of guffBMW Spokesman said:
the current BMW range meets or exceeds all current legislative criteria.
just makes them look like idiots with their heads in the sand.It would be much better if the BMW Spokesman had said:
We have learned of a security vulnerability with some of our models and have implemented an urgent recall program to eliminate the problem as quickly as possible.
They say a section of the interior of the car is unprotected around the door. I take it the interior protection is not ultrasonic based then as that method fills the entire inside cavity of the car with ultrasonic waves. The moment you remove the glass you would upset the pressure wave and set the alarm off.
SonicShadow said:
Every time I see these CCTV car thefts, I do wonder why the owners don't have motion detection set up? Its really not hard to have email / text alerts that send you a picture of the detected movement. If you arent monitoring the CCTV 24/7, or you dont use motion detection, as a preventative measure it is useless.
Exactly! All it does without that is tell you what time the car was taken and that dark hoodies are the current uniform! It also shows how well the crooks act as a team. MattDub said:
They say a section of the interior of the car is unprotected around the door. I take it the interior protection is not ultrasonic based then as that method fills the entire inside cavity of the car with ultrasonic waves. The moment you remove the glass you would upset the pressure wave and set the alarm off.
Manufacurers will tune the system though, it won't be at the maximum possible sensitivity to movement.Debaser said:
MattDub said:
They say a section of the interior of the car is unprotected around the door. I take it the interior protection is not ultrasonic based then as that method fills the entire inside cavity of the car with ultrasonic waves. The moment you remove the glass you would upset the pressure wave and set the alarm off.
Manufacurers will tune the system though, it won't be at the maximum possible sensitivity to movement.66comanche said:
If it won't go off when a window is broken, I'd say the sensitivity is very far from maximum!
The 1M alarm doesn't detect hitting the window or things like that only the intrusion, the window is broken and held in place by peanut butter/honey (anything sticky enough to hold broken glass to a substrate) and a newspaper or just A4 copier paper and glue or just break it after spraying the glass.Or cut it and pull it outwards.
Edited by tercelgold on Monday 2nd July 18:26
Do BMW have an inhouse security department that looks at how secure their designs are?
Do other manufacturers? Reading through this thread it seems SAAB and Volvo may have. Was that when Volvo were part of Ford's PAG? BMW should recruit some of the now redundant car security experts that worked for SAAB?
'Ne'erdowells prey upon BMW drivers insecurities'?
Regarding a PH Meter score for this thread, and the laudable decision to put it on the front page, I guess if PH didn't other media outlets would, or have they already?
'PH - Independence matters'?
I'm reminded of Monkey's run in with Ferrari test cars being delivered and cossetted by their very own little team of experts and minders.
Do other manufacturers? Reading through this thread it seems SAAB and Volvo may have. Was that when Volvo were part of Ford's PAG? BMW should recruit some of the now redundant car security experts that worked for SAAB?
'Ne'erdowells prey upon BMW drivers insecurities'?
Regarding a PH Meter score for this thread, and the laudable decision to put it on the front page, I guess if PH didn't other media outlets would, or have they already?
'PH - Independence matters'?
I'm reminded of Monkey's run in with Ferrari test cars being delivered and cossetted by their very own little team of experts and minders.
Edited by carinaman on Monday 2nd July 18:34
alfabadass said:
Expect BMW insurance quotes to explode...
Just informed a friend of this article who has just bought an m1 and he said his insurers specified it was tracked, which he has obviously done. Don't know what insurer that was. Personally if I'd invested that much in a motor a tracker would be a priority.BFG TERRANO said:
Just informed a friend of this article who has just bought an m1 and he said his insurers specified it was tracked, which he has obviously done. Don't know what insurer that was. Personally if I'd invested that much in a motor a tracker would be a priority.
Trackers are a bit of a farce though. Personally I see them as a total and deliberate scam.
If your car is so valuable that the insurer insists it has a tracker then the people who are going to steal it will be the professional thieves, who, just in the case of this incident will have it away and in their 'unit' and the tracker stripped and killed before anyone even knows it's gone.
However, one of the trackers in mine will immobilise the car by SMS so on the few occasions a year when it is parked outside like at a hotel I will text it to shut down the car. That car also has an off switch for the ECU hidden about it.
PoleDriver said:
>Dons tinfoil hat<
Is it just me or does that article look very watered down and misleading to deflect attention away from bmw even spouting their standard line of "our security conforms to xyz".
In fact having done a quick google search for car stolen with cloned keys, car stolen etc etc I can find very little other than about bmw's being stolen (not helped by this thread of course).
>removes tinfoil hat<
TallbutBuxomly said:
>Dons tinfoil hat<
Is it just me or does that article look very watered down and misleading to deflect attention away from bmw even spouting their standard line of "our security conforms to xyz".
In fact having done a quick google search for car stolen with cloned keys, car stolen etc etc I can find very little other than about bmw's being stolen (not helped by this thread of course).
>removes tinfoil hat<
Yeah but it's called journalistic balance, giving both sides of the story, on the one hand there is actual footage of a recent theft happening and on the other BMWs response. As a reader you are left to decide what you think, seems fair enough and given the freedom we're allowed to rant about things in here a bit more legally responsible reporting for PH articles can only be expected IMO.Is it just me or does that article look very watered down and misleading to deflect attention away from bmw even spouting their standard line of "our security conforms to xyz".
In fact having done a quick google search for car stolen with cloned keys, car stolen etc etc I can find very little other than about bmw's being stolen (not helped by this thread of course).
>removes tinfoil hat<
andy_s said:
Alnassma said:
andy_s said:
So what is the appropriate punishment in this case?
Loss of both hands and 5 years in an iron maiden, without doubt!10 Pence Short said:
BMW, I would imagine, if the conversation on the internet is about stolen BMWs or BMWs that get stolen, using reprogrammed stolen BMW keys used to steal a BMW that will become stolen, they (I mean BMW), would not be happy at all.
Stolen opportunities for sales because of BMWs stolen due to reprogrammed BMW stolen keys will not be what the doctor ordered.
Hopefully no search engines looking for BMWs will mistake this thread for new BMWs or approved used BMWs or secondhand BMWs or even any BMWs for sale or in fact any BMW anywhere that is sold, new or used. This is clearly a thread about new and used BMWs being stolen because BMW (new and used) keys are being reprogrammed and allowing the new or used BMW (approved or not) to be stolen.
haha, you on BCF by chance? Similar tactics and couldn't agree more.Stolen opportunities for sales because of BMWs stolen due to reprogrammed BMW stolen keys will not be what the doctor ordered.
Hopefully no search engines looking for BMWs will mistake this thread for new BMWs or approved used BMWs or secondhand BMWs or even any BMWs for sale or in fact any BMW anywhere that is sold, new or used. This is clearly a thread about new and used BMWs being stolen because BMW (new and used) keys are being reprogrammed and allowing the new or used BMW (approved or not) to be stolen.
I can sympathise with the OP, I've had local oiks make numerous attempts on my bike purely for a shot at ragging them as opposed to selling on so yeah, chop at least fingers off. (I'd want employers to know what they're into and if that employer gives them their next 'order list' it might just make them redundant for the job..
10 Pence Short said:
BMW, I would imagine, if the conversation on the internet is about stolen BMWs or BMWs that get stolen, using reprogrammed stolen BMW keys used to steal a BMW that will become stolen, they (I mean BMW), would not be happy at all.
Stolen opportunities for sales because of BMWs stolen due to reprogrammed BMW stolen keys will not be what the doctor ordered.
Hopefully no search engines looking for BMWs will mistake this thread for new BMWs or approved used BMWs or secondhand BMWs or even any BMWs for sale or in fact any BMW anywhere that is sold, new or used. This is clearly a thread about new and used BMWs being stolen because BMW (new and used) keys are being reprogrammed and allowing the new or used BMW (approved or not) to be stolen.
I see what you did there Stolen opportunities for sales because of BMWs stolen due to reprogrammed BMW stolen keys will not be what the doctor ordered.
Hopefully no search engines looking for BMWs will mistake this thread for new BMWs or approved used BMWs or secondhand BMWs or even any BMWs for sale or in fact any BMW anywhere that is sold, new or used. This is clearly a thread about new and used BMWs being stolen because BMW (new and used) keys are being reprogrammed and allowing the new or used BMW (approved or not) to be stolen.
Vote with our feet? Hold a massive demonstration outside BMW GB Uk for all cars in the line for being stolen? Would get good media exposure and I am sure Germany would not be too keen on the coverage.....Then Clarkson et all will start making jokes about them being targeted on Top Gear etc
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