RE: Video: Key fob reprogrammers steal BMW in 3 mins
Discussion
XAF said:
I had my Civic Type R nicked a few years ago so I have absolute sympathy for everyone who's been through this. Even though mine was taken using the good old Eurolock method (and moved the wife's Puma so they coulld get to my car and parked the Puma down the road with the keys in it!!!!), it still winds me up!
Back in 1994 I had a Nova SR (cough!!!!) and I had a Foxguard immobiliser fitted. Best thing ever in my mind. No fob, you just had to pick a location when it was fitted that was metal, and then before you started the car, you had to 'touch' (the screw in the ashtray in my case!) the area and then you were off.
Wouldn't this be a good idea these days? You can give people the keys / overcome the factory stuff, but without knowing how disarm the immobiliser, you're going nowhere....
Touch the screw?! can't see how this can be unless the screw travelled to to activate a switch.Back in 1994 I had a Nova SR (cough!!!!) and I had a Foxguard immobiliser fitted. Best thing ever in my mind. No fob, you just had to pick a location when it was fitted that was metal, and then before you started the car, you had to 'touch' (the screw in the ashtray in my case!) the area and then you were off.
Wouldn't this be a good idea these days? You can give people the keys / overcome the factory stuff, but without knowing how disarm the immobiliser, you're going nowhere....
5LDC said:
XAF said:
I had my Civic Type R nicked a few years ago so I have absolute sympathy for everyone who's been through this. Even though mine was taken using the good old Eurolock method (and moved the wife's Puma so they coulld get to my car and parked the Puma down the road with the keys in it!!!!), it still winds me up!
Back in 1994 I had a Nova SR (cough!!!!) and I had a Foxguard immobiliser fitted. Best thing ever in my mind. No fob, you just had to pick a location when it was fitted that was metal, and then before you started the car, you had to 'touch' (the screw in the ashtray in my case!) the area and then you were off.
Wouldn't this be a good idea these days? You can give people the keys / overcome the factory stuff, but without knowing how disarm the immobiliser, you're going nowhere....
Touch the screw?! can't see how this can be unless the screw travelled to to activate a switch.Back in 1994 I had a Nova SR (cough!!!!) and I had a Foxguard immobiliser fitted. Best thing ever in my mind. No fob, you just had to pick a location when it was fitted that was metal, and then before you started the car, you had to 'touch' (the screw in the ashtray in my case!) the area and then you were off.
Wouldn't this be a good idea these days? You can give people the keys / overcome the factory stuff, but without knowing how disarm the immobiliser, you're going nowhere....
Same method.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Capacitive_sensing
Defcon5 said:
blearyeyedboy said:
Why not fit a switch to the door so the door needs to be open to use the OBD?
Mechanic working on car = door open, not a problem.
Thief trying to steal car = door open, big noisy alarm goes off.
Bit like some cars do with their fuel capsMechanic working on car = door open, not a problem.
Thief trying to steal car = door open, big noisy alarm goes off.
My Alpina D3 was stolen in exactly the same way in February 2012. My neighbour has CCTV and managed to capture the robbery and kindly provide me with the footage.
I'll try and describe what happened as briefly as possible:
Ford Focus drives past my house at around 3.20am on a Wednesday morning in February.
Focus misses my house but then reverses back...perhaps address was known and they were looking for house numbers? My house number is not visible but the neighbours past my house display house numbers clearly.
Focus pauses outside my house for about 10-15 secs and then drives off.
Focus returns about 15 mins later passing my house in the opposite direction it originally drove past.
About 3-4 mins later 3 guys arrive at my driveway, one stands watch while the other two begin working on my car. The footage is not good enough to see what they are doing or identify them.
After 3-4mins they leave and give the lookout something.
The lookout retreats, presumably back to the Focus while the two breakers walk away and out of sight.
The lookout then returns and hands something back to the breakers who start work on the car again.
I then see the indicators flash and the lookout retreats while one of the breakers pushes the car out the drive and about 20 - 30 metres down the road. He jumps in the car and they both drive it away.
Shortly afterwards two hoodies come back to the house and look around, presumably checking no evidence has been left and that's it!
All keys were in my possession, and I only ever used one of them since owning the car. I reported to the police as soon as I realised the car was gone but hardly had any response from them. Police never came to my house to investigate the crime scene as far as i'm aware and the car was never found. Insurance company claim it was rated 5 stars for security and treated me like a thief, fortunately I had footage to prove the car was stolen from my driveway.
In the end I received what I was owed by the insurance company but i'm still F**Kin p*ss*d off I had to go through all this thinking I had a car that was practically impossible to steal in this way.
BMW owners beware, you are not safe!
I'll try and describe what happened as briefly as possible:
Ford Focus drives past my house at around 3.20am on a Wednesday morning in February.
Focus misses my house but then reverses back...perhaps address was known and they were looking for house numbers? My house number is not visible but the neighbours past my house display house numbers clearly.
Focus pauses outside my house for about 10-15 secs and then drives off.
Focus returns about 15 mins later passing my house in the opposite direction it originally drove past.
About 3-4 mins later 3 guys arrive at my driveway, one stands watch while the other two begin working on my car. The footage is not good enough to see what they are doing or identify them.
After 3-4mins they leave and give the lookout something.
The lookout retreats, presumably back to the Focus while the two breakers walk away and out of sight.
The lookout then returns and hands something back to the breakers who start work on the car again.
I then see the indicators flash and the lookout retreats while one of the breakers pushes the car out the drive and about 20 - 30 metres down the road. He jumps in the car and they both drive it away.
Shortly afterwards two hoodies come back to the house and look around, presumably checking no evidence has been left and that's it!
All keys were in my possession, and I only ever used one of them since owning the car. I reported to the police as soon as I realised the car was gone but hardly had any response from them. Police never came to my house to investigate the crime scene as far as i'm aware and the car was never found. Insurance company claim it was rated 5 stars for security and treated me like a thief, fortunately I had footage to prove the car was stolen from my driveway.
In the end I received what I was owed by the insurance company but i'm still F**Kin p*ss*d off I had to go through all this thinking I had a car that was practically impossible to steal in this way.
BMW owners beware, you are not safe!
GTSJOE said:
The gang were sentenced to 30 hours community service and a £40 fine and told not to do it again in a very stern voice.pilchardthecat said:
GTSJOE said:
The gang were sentenced to 30 hours community service and a £40 fine and told not to do it again in a very stern voice.it's about time these judges/magistrates/CPS/politicians muppets lived in the real world with the rest of us...
Mr-B said:
They need to make an example of these people (I know they won't though 
) and give them 15 years plus. One guy involved in ringing cars was caught on one of those traffic police documetaries and his punishment was a £400 fine, what an absolute fukcing joke!
this is why I find it so frustrating that they spend several hundred thousand pounds on helicopters/subaru's/Evo's etc justso they can hand out slaped wrists all round. ) and give them 15 years plus. One guy involved in ringing cars was caught on one of those traffic police documetaries and his punishment was a £400 fine, what an absolute fukcing joke!WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
Scuffers said:
this is why I find it so frustrating that they spend several hundred thousand pounds on helicopters/subaru's/Evo's etc justso they can hand out slaped wrists all round.
WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
'they' don't hand out the laughable punishments, it's the CPS and courts who take care of that. They are separate from the police. WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
Scuffers said:
this is why I find it so frustrating that they spend several hundred thousand pounds on helicopters/subaru's/Evo's etc justso they can hand out slaped wrists all round.
WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
We are far too soft on crime in the West. Never mind all the sob stories about society not giving them a fair chance, bleeding hear liberals going on about poverty causing crime. There are millions of poor people in the world who have not stolen a single thing. The people who are doing this aren't even on the poverty line so they don't even have that excuse. It's greed and laziness pure and simple and as such they should be treated like the vermin they are.WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
Personally I think we should cut their hands off, there is a reason why the middle east has some of the lowest crime rates in the world.
LongLiveTazio said:
Scuffers said:
this is why I find it so frustrating that they spend several hundred thousand pounds on helicopters/subaru's/Evo's etc justso they can hand out slaped wrists all round.
WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
'they' don't hand out the laughable punishments, it's the CPS and courts who take care of that. They are separate from the police. WHAT'S THE POINT?????
where's the deterrent?
Fastdruid said:
camshafted said:
The problem with BMWs being stolen in West Midlands is a bad as the anecdotal evidence suggests.
Stolen BMW figures:
2010: 231
2011: 258
>30/6/12: 314
Source please.Stolen BMW figures:
2010: 231
2011: 258
>30/6/12: 314
Stolen BMW figures:
2010: 6
2011: 3
>30/6/12: 127,614
Scuffers said:
pilchardthecat said:
GTSJOE said:
The gang were sentenced to 30 hours community service and a £40 fine and told not to do it again in a very stern voice.it's about time these judges/magistrates/CPS/politicians muppets lived in the real world with the rest of us...
(although it still could be true, i've watched "Police-Camera-Action" so i'm well acquainted with the system of punishment)
0a said:
Well spotted and posted Da. Now I do believe that, the press are starting to pick up on this. Excellent news, I think BMW are going to have to admit the problem and face the music.Excellent news for the owners, I am only sorry it has taken this long.
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