RE: Driven: BMW 125i M Sport
Discussion
E38Ross said:
not everyone wants a 2nd hand car; only PHers seem to totally disregard anything brand new. did you buy your tv brand new? how much did you pay for it? bet i could have got a better one 2nd hand........
For the example of the TV no, I couldn't have got a better one 2nd hand, as I bought the best one at the time. However, I do buy my camera lenses 2nd hand though as they are something that can be bought and sold at pretty much the same price. Plus, they don't age as badly as something like a TV does. Anyway... My point being, I'm most likely the target market for this kind of car. Mid-30s, small family, enough income to fund the car on a PCP, but to me I just can't bring myself to spend that sort of money. It's my personal view, and I guess like many PHers I have a reasonable understanding of what £30k can buy you in the used (or nearly new) market. What I'm saying is spending £30k on a 1 series is something I couldn't see myself doing.
s m said:
Doesn't this apply to all new cars?
Nevertheless, it's a good job someone takes the hit and buys them new
Quite, I've bought a brand new car once and have never come close to it again.Nevertheless, it's a good job someone takes the hit and buys them new
theboyfold said:
Quite, I've bought a brand new car once and have never come close to it again.
Quite happy for other people to spend their money on new cars, so I can have them nice and cheap a few years later. I could see myself getting something like this in the one situation that I would buy a new car though - if I ever take a company car rather than the cash.
s m said:
theboyfold said:
I can't ever see it being a better car to buy than something used.
Doesn't this apply to all new cars? Nevertheless, it's a good job someone takes the hit and buys them new
daveco said:
£30k and 35mpg+ is astonishing for such performance; is there anything on the market that is this quick and economical that also sounds great?
I know the 2nd hand vs New debate is getting tiresome but I'd still have an E46 M3 CSL over this.
7 year old car is cheaper than new car shocker I know the 2nd hand vs New debate is getting tiresome but I'd still have an E46 M3 CSL over this.
dom180 said:
Don't want to get drawn into the new/used debate but does seem good value compared to the old 1 M Coupe.
(Having finally introduced a relatively affordable M type variant, seems a shame that the next 1 series switches to fwd...)
This is indeed true, the performance figures on the M135i are mighty impressive. It's just a shame that the starting point for a new 'premium' hatch is now £30k and up. Whilst cheaper than the M, it's still a large sum of money. (Having finally introduced a relatively affordable M type variant, seems a shame that the next 1 series switches to fwd...)
Do you think we will ever see similar sort of performance figures from the Korean car makers, but with a smaller price tag?
daveco said:
£30k and 35mpg+ is astonishing for such performance; is there anything on the market that is this quick and economical that also sounds great?
Obviously not a competitor for the 135i (and much more expensive), but the current SLK 55AMG claims 34mpg and sounds a damned slight better. Not that it will ever get it, but then the M135i wont get its 35 either. Edited by kambites on Friday 6th July 09:10
I keep hearing it said that the M135i list price is going to be very close to the 125i (with more spec) at £30k - but I can't reference this anywhere for sure. The 5-door auto version could be a serious contender for me when I come to change my S3 Sportback, although I suspect that really a 5-dr M135i auto with some essential options will be closer to £35-38k.
Basil Hume said:
I keep hearing it said that the M135i list price is going to be very close to the 125i (with more spec) at £30k - but I can't reference this anywhere for sure. The 5-door auto version could be a serious contender for me when I come to change my S3 Sportback, although I suspect that really a 5-dr M135i auto with some essential options will be closer to £35-38k.
Yes, it has the M-Sport brakes, xenons and leather as standard - options which would cost you about £2.5k to add to a 125.theboyfold said:
Evo say it's going to cost £30k (see link on the previous page). The BMW site doesn't have any pricing yet.
Yes it does - take a look at the online configurator, it has both the 3 and 5 door M135i models with all pricing.http://www.bmw.co.uk/bmwuk/ecom4/frameset
For reference -
3dr 125i - £25,535
3dr 125d - £27,290
3dr M135i - £29,980
5dr 125i - £26,065
5dr 125d - £27,820
5dr M135i - £30,510
nickfrog said:
nickfrog said:
M135i is only £1500 more (and 100+ hp more and 2 cylinders more) if you spec the M125i with leather, xenons and M-SPORT brakes(factory 4-pot calipers), which are all standard on the M135i
kambites said:
off_again said:
Mmmm, whats the power output of the 125i and the 328i? And whats the difference in the engine? Can the 125i be re-mapped to the 328i output? Now that would be a corker!
214bhp vs 241bhp according to Parkers. There's surprisingly little difference in weight, too. Mmmm, interesting....
Sonic said:
I've stuck a few thousand miles on my 125i now, and i've got to say it's a seriously fun and comfortable car to tool about in. The only downside is not being able to see >35mpg even on a motorway run keeping it at 75-80mph.
My brother has the 125d with auto, and he's been getting on fantastically with it, using it for his long commute. Although i think his wife likes it so much she uses it now instead and he's back in his 7-series.
That said, i'm seriously tempted by the M135i.
As Sonic's brother and the owner of one of those cars I feel I should sheepishly pipe up and share some of the abuse My brother has the 125d with auto, and he's been getting on fantastically with it, using it for his long commute. Although i think his wife likes it so much she uses it now instead and he's back in his 7-series.
That said, i'm seriously tempted by the M135i.
I still don't particularly like the looks of these F20's but don't care - as an everyday high-mileage commuting car and family hatch the 125d really is superb. Mine has the 8-speed auto and adaptive suspension and its a great combination.
kambites said:
nickfrog said:
nickfrog said:
M135i is only £1500 more (and 100+ hp more and 2 cylinders more) if you spec the M125i with leather, xenons and M-SPORT brakes(factory 4-pot calipers), which are all standard on the M135i
Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
nickfrog said:
Exactly. I bet you can in other markets. Although those bits may retain some of their value second hand.
Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
Pessimistic, I'd imagine. It's not a "special" car, I'd expect closer to 15k for the bottom of the market. Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
At that point it becomes very appealing if we need to replace the wife's car. Especially if they do a "GT" version with a bit more boot space.
kambites said:
nickfrog said:
Exactly. I bet you can in other markets. Although those bits may retain some of their value second hand.
Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
Pessimistic, I'd imagine. It's not a "special" car, I'd expect closer to 15k for the bottom of the market. Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
E38Ross said:
kambites said:
nickfrog said:
Exactly. I bet you can in other markets. Although those bits may retain some of their value second hand.
Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
Pessimistic, I'd imagine. It's not a "special" car, I'd expect closer to 15k for the bottom of the market. Still, £20K for a M135i in 2 years time ? Realistic ?
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