Life-saving emergency eCall system should be mandatory, EU
Discussion
CampDavid said:
As emergency calls are not network dependant, coverage should be fine.
in your dreams....there are some pretty big/significant gaps in GSM coverage just in the UK (and we are a small country)
one of them is where I am now, no, not in the wilds of Scotland, just in the East Midlands countryside.
This is just another politicians wet-dream project dressed up as 'safety'
Prof Prolapse said:
So if I'm involved in a horrible crash, bleeding out in the middle of nowhere I know help is coming?
I'd pay to have one fitted to my bike right now.
You can keep your tinfoil hat.
If they start dicking around with them it'll be promptly ripped out.
the point is once its fitted to enough cars say 2025 they can enforce road charging I'd pay to have one fitted to my bike right now.
You can keep your tinfoil hat.
If they start dicking around with them it'll be promptly ripped out.
and thats ignoring them monitoring your every move, no government would do that, oh wait ours already does via 5000 CCTV cameras that log number plates
then theres automatic speeding ticket issuing, thats just a bonus
Prof Prolapse said:
So if I'm involved in a horrible crash, bleeding out in the middle of nowhere I know help is coming?
I'd pay to have one fitted to my bike right now.
You can keep your tinfoil hat.
If they start dicking around with them it'll be promptly ripped out.
No dicking around required, you put one in and they'll know where your car is without doing anything.I'd pay to have one fitted to my bike right now.
You can keep your tinfoil hat.
If they start dicking around with them it'll be promptly ripped out.
But there's no need to force people who want to wear tinfoil hats to have them just because you want one.
Dave Hedgehog said:
Prof Prolapse said:
So if I'm involved in a horrible crash, bleeding out in the middle of nowhere I know help is coming?
I'd pay to have one fitted to my bike right now.
You can keep your tinfoil hat.
If they start dicking around with them it'll be promptly ripped out.
the point is once its fitted to enough cars say 2025 they can enforce road charging I'd pay to have one fitted to my bike right now.
You can keep your tinfoil hat.
If they start dicking around with them it'll be promptly ripped out.
and thats ignoring them monitoring your every move, no government would do that, oh wait ours already does via 5000 CCTV cameras that log number plates
then theres automatic speeding ticket issuing, thats just a bonus
I don't see any rational objection to this. As I said I would like to have one of these as a biker, because there's every chance if I bin it I'll have coverage but be alone and unable to call for help. Then I've got the golden 60 minutes before I bleed to death by the roadside. If farmer Giles doesn't make a pass in his tractor then I'm absolutely scunnered.
They have to make it mandatory because f
king idiots won't have it fitted because they're terrified of "the gubbermint" and manufacturers will take the piss with the price. Incidentally I really don't believe the EU are the ones you have to worry about. They take a very dim view on the UK government's repeated infrigement on our privacy.
0000 said:
No dicking around required, you put one in and they'll know where your car is without doing anything.
But there's no need to force people who want to wear tinfoil hats to have them just because you want one.
Who is "they"?But there's no need to force people who want to wear tinfoil hats to have them just because you want one.
The emergency services? Mi6? The voices in your head?
Why would I want a tinfoil hat? f
k me, I amazed people think the government really gives a st about what they do. 0000 said:
Anyone with access to mobile phone data.
which there says includes a huge list from the Police, right down to your local council and other so called do-gooders....Then I am sure they will sell info to outside companies in just the same way DVLA do with your details now so that extortion merchants (sorry, parking enforcement etc) can then screw you...
Prof Prolapse said:
Then I'll protest in 2024 along with everybody else. In the mean time however rather than speculate about the future and let people die in the mean time, this would seem a very good way to reduce the time waiting for someone to stumble across the scene of an accident and call for help.
I don't see any rational objection to this. As I said I would like to have one of these as a biker, because there's every chance if I bin it I'll have coverage but be alone and unable to call for help. Then I've got the golden 60 minutes before I bleed to death by the roadside. If farmer Giles doesn't make a pass in his tractor then I'm absolutely scunnered.
They have to make it mandatory because fking idiots won't have it fitted because they're terrified of "the gubbermint" and manufacturers will take the piss with the price.
Incidentally I really don't believe the EU are the ones you have to worry about. They take a very dim view on the UK government's repeated infrigement on our privacy.
I guess you also won't mind when they update the system so that it reports you every time your bike breaks the speed limit? Because that will be the next step, the hardware is already capable of it, so all it will take is a software update (possibly over the air). Nothing to do with road charging, but I'm sure the EU and the authorities will class this as a safety feature. I don't see any rational objection to this. As I said I would like to have one of these as a biker, because there's every chance if I bin it I'll have coverage but be alone and unable to call for help. Then I've got the golden 60 minutes before I bleed to death by the roadside. If farmer Giles doesn't make a pass in his tractor then I'm absolutely scunnered.
They have to make it mandatory because f
king idiots won't have it fitted because they're terrified of "the gubbermint" and manufacturers will take the piss with the price. Incidentally I really don't believe the EU are the ones you have to worry about. They take a very dim view on the UK government's repeated infrigement on our privacy.
Prof Prolapse said:
0000 said:
No dicking around required, you put one in and they'll know where your car is without doing anything.
But there's no need to force people who want to wear tinfoil hats to have them just because you want one.
Who is "they"?But there's no need to force people who want to wear tinfoil hats to have them just because you want one.
The emergency services? Mi6? The voices in your head?
Why would I want a tinfoil hat? f
k me, I amazed people think the government really gives a st about what they do. 
The wife's BMW has the telematics and assist service that provides this. In the event of a breakdown you can press a button and get to BMW services 24/7 and they will coordinate the recovery services (currently BMW breakdown). In the event of an accident (when the airbags fire), it will automatically call BMW Services who will then coordinate emergency services as needed - using the GPS location for faster response.
Seems a fantastic idea and negates the need for a mobile phone - although pretty much always have one, it is not essential. Came with the car, so didnt pay for it, but service is something like £40 a year, so cant complain for a bit of piece of mind.
Dont see the problem myself.
Seems a fantastic idea and negates the need for a mobile phone - although pretty much always have one, it is not essential. Came with the car, so didnt pay for it, but service is something like £40 a year, so cant complain for a bit of piece of mind.
Dont see the problem myself.
off_again said:
The wife's BMW has the telematics and assist service that provides this. In the event of a breakdown you can press a button and get to BMW services 24/7 and they will coordinate the recovery services (currently BMW breakdown). In the event of an accident (when the airbags fire), it will automatically call BMW Services who will then coordinate emergency services as needed - using the GPS location for faster response.
Seems a fantastic idea and negates the need for a mobile phone - although pretty much always have one, it is not essential. Came with the car, so didnt pay for it, but service is something like £40 a year, so cant complain for a bit of piece of mind.
Dont see the problem myself.
that in itself is not issue...Seems a fantastic idea and negates the need for a mobile phone - although pretty much always have one, it is not essential. Came with the car, so didnt pay for it, but service is something like £40 a year, so cant complain for a bit of piece of mind.
Dont see the problem myself.
the problem comes when hidden in the spec's etc. are the ability to track you 24/7....
mjb1 said:
I guess you also won't mind when they update the system so that it reports you every time your bike breaks the speed limit? Because that will be the next step, the hardware is already capable of it, so all it will take is a software update (possibly over the air). Nothing to do with road charging, but I'm sure the EU and the authorities will class this as a safety feature.
I never break the speed limits so have nothing to fear 
Pure, baseless, paranoid, speculation.
Answer me this then matey boy. I assume you own a mobile phone? Whats stopping the government doing that right now? (Or 10 years ago). Granted you could be in someone elses car, but that wouldn't stop a warning letter coming through the post ensuring you dob in your car share buddy.
You can't just secretly send magic beams into peoples cars to let them spy on you. There would be a massive outcry first. This wouldn't be like flourescent jackets for bikers, it would be a massive infringement on your privacy. It would also be obsurd.
Monitoring every motorists speed? I mean honestly. The infrastructure required is astronomical, it's totally unethical and crucially every single person who has driven would be guilty of going over the limit at some point. Even if "they" escaped the expert technologists, media and got it past the (presumably brainwashed) voters... Do you really believe that anybody would be stupid enough to create a system whereby everybody will be accidentally guilty at some point? Its simply not enforcable. At worst it could be used in cases where you've ended up in court then, in all likelihood it's still better than relying on eye witness accounts of speed which are bloody useless and again would most likely be your benefit.
Prof Prolapse said:
Answer me this then matey boy. I assume you own a mobile phone? Whats stopping the government doing that right now? (Or 10 years ago). Granted you could be in someone elses car, but that wouldn't stop a warning letter coming through the post ensuring you dob in your car share buddy.
and just to answer the techie bit...GSM phone does not report speed/position info, yes you can track one by cell-tower, but that's somewhat hit and miss, not very accurate, slow to do, and very network intensive (like try and do that to 20M+ phones at once)
only way would be to activate an ap that turns on a smart-phones GPS reciver, then keeps transmitting it's location etc, now, there are apps to do this, latitude for example, or where's my Iphone, but see how long your battery lasts doing that!
Scuffers said:
and just to answer the techie bit...
GSM phone does not report speed/position info, yes you can track one by cell-tower, but that's somewhat hit and miss, not very accurate, slow to do, and very network intensive (like try and do that to 20M+ phones at once)
only way would be to activate an ap that turns on a smart-phones GPS reciver, then keeps transmitting it's location etc, now, there are apps to do this, latitude for example, or where's my Iphone, but see how long your battery lasts doing that!
The iPhone logs your possition at regular intervals using WIFI and GPS and saves it to a text file. There was a whole "they're tracking us" thing about it last year.GSM phone does not report speed/position info, yes you can track one by cell-tower, but that's somewhat hit and miss, not very accurate, slow to do, and very network intensive (like try and do that to 20M+ phones at once)
only way would be to activate an ap that turns on a smart-phones GPS reciver, then keeps transmitting it's location etc, now, there are apps to do this, latitude for example, or where's my Iphone, but see how long your battery lasts doing that!
CampDavid said:
Scuffers said:
and just to answer the techie bit...
GSM phone does not report speed/position info, yes you can track one by cell-tower, but that's somewhat hit and miss, not very accurate, slow to do, and very network intensive (like try and do that to 20M+ phones at once)
only way would be to activate an ap that turns on a smart-phones GPS reciver, then keeps transmitting it's location etc, now, there are apps to do this, latitude for example, or where's my Iphone, but see how long your battery lasts doing that!
The iPhone logs your possition at regular intervals using WIFI and GPS and saves it to a text file. There was a whole "they're tracking us" thing about it last year.GSM phone does not report speed/position info, yes you can track one by cell-tower, but that's somewhat hit and miss, not very accurate, slow to do, and very network intensive (like try and do that to 20M+ phones at once)
only way would be to activate an ap that turns on a smart-phones GPS reciver, then keeps transmitting it's location etc, now, there are apps to do this, latitude for example, or where's my Iphone, but see how long your battery lasts doing that!
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