RE: No more cars from TVR, says Smolensky
Discussion
Bellendski can't take them away from us..The issue is really how he managed to kill the business in the first place and therefore requires all the unfeasible start-up costs. If all he owns is the name, then it will require serious investment over 10, 20 years to see any sort of return.
Which is daft really when you consider that Griffs, Chims and Cerbs would have carried on selling forever with occasional upgrades of OEM running gear.
Which is daft really when you consider that Griffs, Chims and Cerbs would have carried on selling forever with occasional upgrades of OEM running gear.
I can't believe that there are rumours and news about TVR still going on. I sold my last TVR years ago and the company was deader than a dead thing back then! I think we should all just let it rest in peace. No-one would be mad enough to attempt to resurrect the brand. The reputation is in tatters and the competition has moved on massively.
St John Smythe said:
and the competition has moved on massively
But not in a direction that I would want to pursue. Playstations are two hundred quid, I don't need my fun car to feel like that even if it means it's twice as fast on a certain German toll road in the hands of a professional racer. The only real competition TVR would be facing are Morgans, kit cars and classic cars.
I think the biggest prob is current demand, costing aside. Right now with the economy still in the bin not too many people would be able to afford them.
Yes, Semolinaski (hehe) is a total & utter bellend of the highest order for taking a slightly mad but loveable brand & effectivly pulling the plug, I hope that the ghosts of Trevor Wilkinson & Peter Wheeler haunt him for the rest of his life... or at least he gets run over by a Griff on Blackpool Prom
Yes, Semolinaski (hehe) is a total & utter bellend of the highest order for taking a slightly mad but loveable brand & effectivly pulling the plug, I hope that the ghosts of Trevor Wilkinson & Peter Wheeler haunt him for the rest of his life... or at least he gets run over by a Griff on Blackpool Prom
Dangermouse78 said:
I think the biggest prob is current demand, costing aside. Right now with the economy still in the bin not too many people would be able to afford them.
Yes, Semolinaski (hehe) is a total & utter bellend of the highest order for taking a slightly mad but loveable brand & effectivly pulling the plug, I hope that the ghosts of Trevor Wilkinson & Peter Wheeler haunt him for the rest of his life... or at least he gets run over by a Griff on Blackpool Prom
Yes, Semolinaski (hehe) is a total & utter bellend of the highest order for taking a slightly mad but loveable brand & effectivly pulling the plug, I hope that the ghosts of Trevor Wilkinson & Peter Wheeler haunt him for the rest of his life... or at least he gets run over by a Griff on Blackpool Prom
If I owned TVR I'd officially announce it dead just to stop the 700 e-mails a day from desperate fans.
St John Smythe said:
I can't believe that there are rumours and news about TVR still going on. I sold my last TVR years ago and the company was deader than a dead thing back then! I think we should all just let it rest in peace. No-one would be mad enough to attempt to resurrect the brand. The reputation is in tatters and the competition has moved on massively.
To be fair the same could be said about Bugatti, before the EB110. Then it died again, but I think they did something else recently, probably nothing special though.this guy is unbelievable - 'businessman' ??????????????????????
What a complete idiot - "We built 3 cars and they worked well but the costs were too high"
playground stuff...........
He knows as much about running a business as the seagull outside my office......
As others have said - he should call it a day, and let someone else have a crack at TVR who has a brain. Sadly hes done so much damage to the brand he's made it much harder than it would have been to set up a going concern...........
All very sad, but I guess we should be grateful for all those TVRs there are out there in the hands of those keen enthusiasts who will always keep the noise alive!!!
What a complete idiot - "We built 3 cars and they worked well but the costs were too high"
playground stuff...........
He knows as much about running a business as the seagull outside my office......
As others have said - he should call it a day, and let someone else have a crack at TVR who has a brain. Sadly hes done so much damage to the brand he's made it much harder than it would have been to set up a going concern...........
All very sad, but I guess we should be grateful for all those TVRs there are out there in the hands of those keen enthusiasts who will always keep the noise alive!!!
louiebaby said:
Has he inadvertantly let slip about a BMW engine currently in development?
I doubt it, I wouldn't think (hope) BMW would take him that seriously. It probably just proves he's a pathological liar and he thought he'd make it sound like he'd really being trying to bring the brand back by listing a few projects when in actual fact he's been doing nothing. As far as I'm aware they didn't even build the LS engined car in-house.
louiebaby said:
That's a straight six. As is the engine in the 640d and 740d.Has he inadvertantly let slip about a BMW engine currently in development?
anyway, nuts to all this derv talk, just build a cheap sagaris around the LS3, and do a Tamora with a 2.0 ford ecoboost pumping out around 260hp, that should keep people happy.
I just think smelly misunderstood the whole nature of TVR.
TVR wasn't a car producer, it was a kit car producer. Let me explain.
If you want to mass produce cars like the russian, you need expensive tooling, shiny clean high mantenance factories and large numbers of workers specialising in their own little bit of the car. Someone who spends their life getting very good at sticking a wingmirror on. Big overheads but superbly produced cars with great attention to detail trying to step the tightrope of economies of scale.
Instead TVR had bob. Bob was a man who could build a kit car from scratch. Go to any kit car show and you will find bob. I saw him last year at stoneleigh. He was standing in front of an immaculate GT40 with a LS7 engine in. I can build that for you in any colour for £50K he said. I was very tempted.
I suspect the blackpool factory, was a factory full of enthusiastic bobs harnessed and sometimes pushed to the limit by the management. The cars came out like kit cars but in a way that could not be achieved by the russians model. The Russian thought he had bought a car factory. What he didn't realise is that he hadn't bought a factory at all with his money, he had bought the loyalty of a number of bobs which he then squandered. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the accountants went round the factory and instead of seeing large quantities of state of the art tooling and shiny factory floors for the money, they saw the beaten up shed that was blackpool, and bob standing there with a screwdriver in his hand.
TVR wasn't a car producer, it was a kit car producer. Let me explain.
If you want to mass produce cars like the russian, you need expensive tooling, shiny clean high mantenance factories and large numbers of workers specialising in their own little bit of the car. Someone who spends their life getting very good at sticking a wingmirror on. Big overheads but superbly produced cars with great attention to detail trying to step the tightrope of economies of scale.
Instead TVR had bob. Bob was a man who could build a kit car from scratch. Go to any kit car show and you will find bob. I saw him last year at stoneleigh. He was standing in front of an immaculate GT40 with a LS7 engine in. I can build that for you in any colour for £50K he said. I was very tempted.
I suspect the blackpool factory, was a factory full of enthusiastic bobs harnessed and sometimes pushed to the limit by the management. The cars came out like kit cars but in a way that could not be achieved by the russians model. The Russian thought he had bought a car factory. What he didn't realise is that he hadn't bought a factory at all with his money, he had bought the loyalty of a number of bobs which he then squandered. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the accountants went round the factory and instead of seeing large quantities of state of the art tooling and shiny factory floors for the money, they saw the beaten up shed that was blackpool, and bob standing there with a screwdriver in his hand.
julian64 said:
I just think smelly misunderstood the whole nature of TVR.
TVR wasn't a car producer, it was a kit car producer. Let me explain.
If you want to mass produce cars like the russian, you need expensive tooling, shiny clean high mantenance factories and large numbers of workers specialising in their own little bit of the car. Someone who spends their life getting very good at sticking a wingmirror on. Big overheads but superbly produced cars with great attention to detail trying to step the tightrope of economies of scale.
Instead TVR had bob. Bob was a man who could build a kit car from scratch. Go to any kit car show and you will find bob. I saw him last year at stoneleigh. He was standing in front of an immaculate GT40 with a LS7 engine in. I can build that for you in any colour for £50K he said. I was very tempted.
I suspect the blackpool factory, was a factory full of enthusiastic bobs harnessed and sometimes pushed to the limit by the management. The cars came out like kit cars but in a way that could not be achieved by the russians model. The Russian thought he had bought a car factory. What he didn't realise is that he hadn't bought a factory at all with his money, he had bought the loyalty of a number of bobs which he then squandered. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the accountants went round the factory and instead of seeing large quantities of state of the art tooling and shiny factory floors for the money, they saw the beaten up shed that was blackpool, and bob standing there with a screwdriver in his hand.
excellent explanation, smolensky bought a couple of sheds with a couple of daves and bobs, and tried to turn it into the Lamborghini industrial complex.TVR wasn't a car producer, it was a kit car producer. Let me explain.
If you want to mass produce cars like the russian, you need expensive tooling, shiny clean high mantenance factories and large numbers of workers specialising in their own little bit of the car. Someone who spends their life getting very good at sticking a wingmirror on. Big overheads but superbly produced cars with great attention to detail trying to step the tightrope of economies of scale.
Instead TVR had bob. Bob was a man who could build a kit car from scratch. Go to any kit car show and you will find bob. I saw him last year at stoneleigh. He was standing in front of an immaculate GT40 with a LS7 engine in. I can build that for you in any colour for £50K he said. I was very tempted.
I suspect the blackpool factory, was a factory full of enthusiastic bobs harnessed and sometimes pushed to the limit by the management. The cars came out like kit cars but in a way that could not be achieved by the russians model. The Russian thought he had bought a car factory. What he didn't realise is that he hadn't bought a factory at all with his money, he had bought the loyalty of a number of bobs which he then squandered. I would have loved to have been a fly on the wall when the accountants went round the factory and instead of seeing large quantities of state of the art tooling and shiny factory floors for the money, they saw the beaten up shed that was blackpool, and bob standing there with a screwdriver in his hand.
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