RE: VW Golf A59: The stillborn European Evo

RE: VW Golf A59: The stillborn European Evo

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mckay99

9 posts

144 months

Thursday 12th July 2012
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All i have to say is "twin engined scirroco" that has to be the maddest thing VW ever did !

robinoz

130 posts

252 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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VW themselves made a mk2 16v Golf with two engines under the bonnet.

Engine bay was a little tight but it went like stink!

P-Jay

10,579 posts

192 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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robinoz said:
VW themselves made a mk2 16v Golf with two engines under the bonnet.

Engine bay was a little tight but it went like stink!
Pics? Having owned a MK2 16v there's no chance you'd get two in there! - Although I'd love to be corrected.

I've seen a few twin engined VW's, some factory (or R&D lab anyway) and a few homebrew - but they all have the second lump in the boot.

There's also a MK1 somewhere with the v8 from the Porsche 968, but they widened the whole car.

gforceg

3,524 posts

180 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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P-Jay said:
Pics? Having owned a MK2 16v there's no chance you'd get two in there! - Although I'd love to be corrected.

I've seen a few twin engined VW's, some factory (or R&D lab anyway) and a few homebrew - but they all have the second lump in the boot.

There's also a MK1 somewhere with the v8 from the Porsche 968, but they widened the whole car.
If you mean this one,
http://retrorides.proboards.com/index.cgi?board=ge...

That wasn't a VW project, just a short run by another company. The whole car was about 15% bigger than a Mk1 Golf to house the 928 underneath.

G.


Edited by gforceg on Friday 13th July 11:49

va1o

16,032 posts

208 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Nice car, I didn't know it existed. Agree with the article its a shame it never got released as the rest of the MK3 Golf range is very dull.

hondansx

4,570 posts

226 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Love reading stuff like this! Great stuff. That Integra is also fascinating!

Chris Eyre

135 posts

224 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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P-Jay said:
robinoz said:
VW themselves made a mk2 16v Golf with two engines under the bonnet.

Engine bay was a little tight but it went like stink!
Pics? Having owned a MK2 16v there's no chance you'd get two in there! - Although I'd love to be corrected.

I've seen a few twin engined VW's, some factory (or R&D lab anyway) and a few homebrew - but they all have the second lump in the boot.
The twin-engined cars were all one in the front, one in the back.

VW Motorsport did 2 Sciroccos. One was more hardcore with throttle bodies (blue), the other more trimmed (maroon):

http://forums.subdriven.com/showthread.php?2808604...

They also did a Jetta, as in the link. One could easily be rather cynical and just say these were PR exercises with bosses nodding concentratedly whilst the magazines played with and photographed them. The blue one is in VW's Wolfsburg museum.

VW Motorsport then made 3 successive twin-engined Mk2 Golfs for Pikes Peak, in 1985-1987. The first two had transverse engines and were in Golf bodyshells, but the '87 car is just a shadow car on an aluminium tub / spaceframe:

http://www.veegeek.com/apps/blog/show/14236872-vw-...

The '87 one spends time between VW's Wolfsburg museum and KWL Motorsport who maintain it, the '86 one is in private hands somewhere and I'm not sure about the '85 car.

Various private twin engined cars have been created in the UK and beyond, the first being Kim Mather's Mk2 Scirocco which was successful in rallying to the point of getting itself banned by the MSA, whilst tuners have variously put twin engines in Golfs 1-3 and sprinted them with success.

havoc

30,092 posts

236 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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GravelBen said:
Ali_T said:
Why can't the Golf R have that level of attitude? I also remember, years ago, reading of a project by Honda, based on the then-new Integra which was 4wd and a supercharged B18 of around 240bhp, back in 91/92. Car drove it, I believe, but it never made production, nor was it used for rallying. The DC2 came about instead.

Here's the article for those interested:

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/jkeirnan/unt...

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y113/jkeirnan/unt...
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Had never even heard of that, very interesting.
Had heard about but never any details. Cheers Ali...liking a lot...


F1GTRUeno said:
Such a cool thing, hope it gets more exposure.

Like this and the Integra, we need to see more of these type of things. Maybe a thread dedicated to engineering projects like this that were never made and never aknowledged.
yes

Both really should have been made...and I'd love to hear about more such stillborn ideas...

sc4589

1,958 posts

166 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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So no one owns it..?

4 second rule, mine now, sod the lot of you, I'm off to do a Welsh rally stage... biggrin

BlueRSedFly

51 posts

146 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Fabulouss stuff, gutted that you didn't get to drive it. LOL at the twin engined Scirocco and Jetta. I remember the Scirocco but not the Jetta. Wasn't there a slightly mad version of the Polo Breadvan body shape too (early 80s), don't think it was twin engined but it definitely had blistered wheelarches, can't for the life of me remember what it was called tho'

BlueRSedFly

51 posts

146 months

Friday 13th July 2012
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Here is the Polo, it was called the Polo SPrint!
http://www.polodriver.com/polo-1981-1994/1983-polo...

mckay99

9 posts

144 months

Saturday 14th July 2012
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Chris Eyre said:
The twin-engined cars were all one in the front, one in the back.

VW Motorsport did 2 Sciroccos. One was more hardcore with throttle bodies (blue), the other more trimmed (maroon):

http://forums.subdriven.com/showthread.php?2808604...

They also did a Jetta, as in the link. One could easily be rather cynical and just say these were PR exercises with bosses nodding concentratedly whilst the magazines played with and photographed them. The blue one is in VW's Wolfsburg museum.

VW Motorsport then made 3 successive twin-engined Mk2 Golfs for Pikes Peak, in 1985-1987. The first two had transverse engines and were in Golf bodyshells, but the '87 car is just a shadow car on an aluminium tub / spaceframe:

http://www.veegeek.com/apps/blog/show/14236872-vw-...

The '87 one spends time between VW's Wolfsburg museum and KWL Motorsport who maintain it, the '86 one is in private hands somewhere and I'm not sure about the '85 car.

Various private twin engined cars have been created in the UK and beyond, the first being Kim Mather's Mk2 Scirocco which was successful in rallying to the point of getting itself banned by the MSA, whilst tuners have variously put twin engines in Golfs 1-3 and sprinted them with success.
Thats the car i was talking about the blue one with the white ATS wheels love that car !

mckay99

9 posts

144 months

Saturday 14th July 2012
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BlueRSedFly said:
Here is the Polo, it was called the Polo SPrint!
http://www.polodriver.com/polo-1981-1994/1983-polo...
I forgot about this one it has to be my second favorite crazy VW after the twin Scirroco, thanks for reminding me !

ZesPak

24,435 posts

197 months

Monday 16th July 2012
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Sorry, but this really looks like bad halfords cut job. Park it in public and it might end up at Barryboys irked

Tango13

8,454 posts

177 months

Monday 16th July 2012
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'an undersquare engine and thus unsuited to the rev-hungry demands of motorsport'

Cough, Mclaren F1, cough, M3 EVO, cough cough wink

mat205125

17,790 posts

214 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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There's a lot of Mk4 in the styling of that car, than Mk3.

Like the Golf G60 and Rallye that preceded it, a bit of a folly really, in an utterly fantastic way.

Every Escort Cosworth was sold by Ford at a loss, and they weren't cheap compared by any means .... VW would have haemoraged millions bringing this to the showroom at anything like a similar price to the Ford or Lancia.

hi court

168 posts

197 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Sometimes manufacturers need to waste millions simply to get an interest in the brand. Escort cosworth and focus rs mk1 spring to mind

KM666

1,757 posts

184 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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jimjim150 said:
I want this Kevlar beast. I also want this SC 4wd Integra the PHers speak of.
+1

Garett

1,626 posts

193 months

Wednesday 18th July 2012
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Does anyone else remember these in one of the old Gran Turismo games on the playstation?

snowmuncher

786 posts

164 months

Thursday 19th July 2012
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It may be fugly, and it isn't that fast, but I want it !