Tyres. Do you go premium?
Discussion
Fox said:
Up until the point at which you find yourself un an unforseen emergency sitation and need to brake hard. What do you do then? Given the difference in braking disance at 70mph between the best and worst premium performance tyres in some tests can be as much as several car lengths I shudder to think what happens when Mr 'Spend 50p on tyres but leave a bit more room' suddenly has to perform an emergency stop after something falls off a truck coming the other way or somebody runs out in front or whatever other situations you hope you never face on the road but when you do, you'll be glad you are not being a cheapskate when it comes to tyres.
As far as I can see exactly the same argument could me made against speeding.So surely people should , at the very least, adhere to legal speed limits?
I tend to go with what's cheapest or what came on the car/wheels I just bought!
But I'm one of those "but it's made from the same rubber in the same factory by the same people and they feel the same to use" types.
I do admit some tyres are shocking and should be avoided, but I'd include just as many 'premium' brands in that too.
I'll also admit I'm in the minority.
But I'm one of those "but it's made from the same rubber in the same factory by the same people and they feel the same to use" types.
I do admit some tyres are shocking and should be avoided, but I'd include just as many 'premium' brands in that too.
I'll also admit I'm in the minority.
Fox- said:
Countdown said:
As far as I can see exactly the same argument could me made against speeding.
It could - you are right. I beleive this might be why speeding is illegal 
007 VXR said:
TheInternet said:
Using inferior tyres will increase risk if used as if they were superior tyres, however you can dictate your level of risk by moderating your speed.
This in part is true, But then you are hoping that ever other road user is driving safe? Countdown said:
007 VXR said:
Countdown said:
But why are the PH "massive" railing against the use of cheap tyres but not against exceeding the speed limit ??
No law on how quick you get to the speed limit 
(as long as its safe to do so)
But they like to still be breathing after
Iam not saying their is not a place for cheap tyres, but
be very carful what car you put them on and what you then ask the car to do!
But saying that, a top qauilty tyres is always going to be better
on any car than a ditch findder
Fox- said:
Countdown said:
As far as I can see exactly the same argument could me made against speeding.
It could - you are right. I beleive this might be why speeding is illegal Buying better tyres improves safety.
Driving slower improves safety.
Slowing down is as valid a means of improving safety as buying better tyres.
Buying better tyres and speeding is no better than buying cheap tyres and sticking to the speed limit
Mave said:
Fox- said:
Countdown said:
As far as I can see exactly the same argument could me made against speeding.
It could - you are right. I beleive this might be why speeding is illegal Buying better tyres improves safety.
Driving slower improves safety.
Slowing down is as valid a means of improving safety as buying better tyres.
Buying better tyres and speeding is no better than buying cheap tyres and sticking to the speed limit
blugnu said:
007 VXR said:
TheInternet said:
Using inferior tyres will increase risk if used as if they were superior tyres, however you can dictate your level of risk by moderating your speed.
This in part is true, But then you are hoping that ever other road user is driving safe? 
Good luck with that one... 
007 VXR said:
To answer you speed limit question, Probs most PHers love speed ?
But they like to still be breathing after
Iam not saying their is not a place for cheap tyres, but
be very carful what car you put them on and what you then ask the car to do!
But saying that, a top qauilty tyres is always going to be better
on any car than a ditch findder
Fully agree.But they like to still be breathing after
Iam not saying their is not a place for cheap tyres, but
be very carful what car you put them on and what you then ask the car to do!
But saying that, a top qauilty tyres is always going to be better
on any car than a ditch findder
Ps I'm not advocating cheap tyres -far from it. I just think there should be a more holistic approach to driving safely.
I'm sure most of us have driven a wide range of vehicles in various different countries. Some people will drive several different cars a day. I doubt they look at tyre brand (or even tyre tread) but most will get a "feel" for the car (steering /brakes/suspension/ grip) and try to drive within the limits.
Countdown said:
007 VXR said:
To answer you speed limit question, Probs most PHers love speed ?
But they like to still be breathing after
Iam not saying their is not a place for cheap tyres, but
be very carful what car you put them on and what you then ask the car to do!
But saying that, a top qauilty tyres is always going to be better
on any car than a ditch findder
Fully agree.But they like to still be breathing after
Iam not saying their is not a place for cheap tyres, but
be very carful what car you put them on and what you then ask the car to do!
But saying that, a top qauilty tyres is always going to be better
on any car than a ditch findder
Ps I'm not advocating cheap tyres -far from it. I just think there should be a more holistic approach to driving safely.
I'm sure most of us have driven a wide range of vehicles in various different countries. Some people will drive several different cars a day. I doubt they look at tyre brand (or even tyre tread) but most will get a "feel" for the car (steering /brakes/suspension/ grip) and try to drive within the limits.
(But i have been known to go 1 or 2 leptons over 70
Fox- said:
Captain Muppet said:
So if you fit s
t tyres leave a bit more room for stopping
Good plan.t tyres leave a bit more room for stopping Up until the point at which you find yourself un an unforseen emergency sitation and need to brake hard. What do you do then? Given the difference in braking disance at 70mph between the best and worst premium performance tyres in some tests can be as much as several car lengths I shudder to think what happens when Mr 'Spend 50p on tyres but leave a bit more room' suddenly has to perform an emergency stop after something falls off a truck coming the other way or somebody runs out in front or whatever other situations you hope you never face on the road but when you do, you'll be glad you are not being a cheapskate when it comes to tyres.
I've driven on some really dreadful tyres, like most people who buy second hand cars. If they are dangerous I replace them, but not all non-premium tyres are instant death, just like not all premium tyres are amazing.
I can't remember the last time I did an emergency stop that wasn't a practice run. Maybe things falling off on coming trucks is rarer where I live than where you live. I've only had it happen once in 20 years - a half brick bounced across the central reservation of the M62, bounced on the road in front of me and then landed on the roof of my AXGT leaving a nice big dent. I was on Uniroyal tyres at the time, not that it made any difference because I didn't get anywhere near getting my foot on the brakes before it hit me. I only saw it was a half brick in the rear view mirror as it tumbled off my car. My reaction time must be really poor, although I suppose really expensive tyres can fix that too.
Captain Muppet said:
Oh god. I dunno. Maybe I'll have left more braking room, they same as I do when driving a van, or towing a car trailer, or driving a pool car on premium fuel saver tyres, or in the wet, or on my bike, or in a car with premium winter tyres, or when I'm feeling a bit fed up, or when I'm driving a car that's full of passengers and luggage, or in the snow, or when driving a car with no MOT to a pre-booked MOT test, or in fog, or on a sunny winter's day when driving through a shady bit of road, or borrowing someone else's Porsche, or like any sane person who moderates their driving depending on the conditions and the risks they are willing to take.
Exactly how do you leave more braking distance in an emergency situation (e.g. pedestrian running out in front of your car)?You see pedestrian. You slow down in case pedestrian becomes an obstacle. You don't see pedestrian but see something that could be concealing a pedestrian, like a house, a tree, a parked van... So you slow down in case. There is no getting around the fact that grippier tyres will stop you faster but then so does going slower in the first place, and the grippiest tyres on dry Tarmac aren't the grippiest ones on wet, or they aren't the grippiest when half worn, and so on. So you compromise, as you did when you bought the car they are fitted to based on its carrying capacity, interior appointments, ride, handling, etc etc rather than just buying the one with the best brakes in your price range.
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