RE: Peugeot 208 GTI gets go-ahead
Discussion
toppstuff said:
veevee said:
Sivraj said:
I understand the comments about the 205 GTI but the 206 GTI (180) was an awesome tool!..
It was not.
I got a T Reg in Burnt Orange with 32,000 miles on the clock but within 3 months of buying the car started going wrong, firstly it required a whole new exhaust system to be installed (orgiginally quoted £900 by a Peugeot dealer near Cricklewood which I ended up getting down to £130 through Peugeot head office). Then it started cutting out and after much heated discussions and visits to the dealer I bought it from it went in for the engine tappets to be replaced.
Even when it did work it didnt have that much power either, the gearbox was just awful and the seats although nice to look at were very unsupportive. For me though the thing that got to me was the awful customer service that I got from the dealers, I had to fight to get the car repaired under warranty and it just put me off Peugeot for life..........
Edited by ghuk on Monday 23 July 20:00
Shame - Renault look like they're dropping the "driver's car" ball with the 5-door, DSG Clio - but Peugeot totally miss the point by going even softer than Renault.
Didn't really work with the 207 did it? Do Peugeot not realise the benefit of having a proper "Hero" model? Maybe just maybe if they could out-renaultsport Renault the motoring press would stop slating them for a bit - instead of making them the French car you *don't* want to own. As an ex-Peugeot franchise employee it's sad to see but not surprising that their business is going down the toilet - it's b
ks like that from Zimmerman that just proves that A) Peugeot have totally lost their legacy as a manufacturer of exciting cars and B) They don't care what people want...
And as for everyday useability - I have a 182 on Eibach springs and Brembo brakes, which gets used every day. Taking junk to the the tip, driving to work, long trips to the coast, it does it all. I even moved house in it...
Didn't really work with the 207 did it? Do Peugeot not realise the benefit of having a proper "Hero" model? Maybe just maybe if they could out-renaultsport Renault the motoring press would stop slating them for a bit - instead of making them the French car you *don't* want to own. As an ex-Peugeot franchise employee it's sad to see but not surprising that their business is going down the toilet - it's b
ks like that from Zimmerman that just proves that A) Peugeot have totally lost their legacy as a manufacturer of exciting cars and B) They don't care what people want...And as for everyday useability - I have a 182 on Eibach springs and Brembo brakes, which gets used every day. Taking junk to the the tip, driving to work, long trips to the coast, it does it all. I even moved house in it...
I walk past the Pug dealership every day on the way to the gym and I must say really like the look of the 208. I think it a pretty impressive achievement to have built such a small good looking car. You do need to see one in the flesh to appreciate how small it is compared to the obese 207. I would say 1.2 times the size of a C1/107. Wheel at each corner. I bet this thing will be a riot.
Felixs said:
If making a hot hatch, aiming for Renaultsport is exactly what they should be doing. Surely?
Interesting first post. 
The successful hot hatch makers don't actually aim at an existing model, but to be better than the current model.
(example: IMHO Vauxhall have been trying to aim for the current Ford in the same segment for decades, and each time Ford bring a new better model out by the time Vauxhall have released theirs)
Peugeot, on the other hand, seem to be saying "it'll do" before it's even out.
toppstuff said:
tommy vercetti said:
Why can't Peugeot built a hatch that is like the 205 gti?
Probably because a 205 GTI collapses like a paper bag in a crash. New cars are held to higher standards, hence their size.At least, that is what the car makers say. I think it is just laziness. It probably IS possible to make a car the same size and weight of the 205 which also passes modern crash rules, but the car makers think it is too expensive to build it, maybe...
Mojocvh]Outright power is not the forte of the GTI Gti [whatever said:
, it's what it does in the bends, under late braking and road "feel" through the steering wheel that marks a champion out.
Here's hoping PGA can turn things around and have a return to form.
Agree, but after promising big things Peugeot marketing stuff realized that in such sense there is no way they can compete with Renaultsport, or even Mini . They should have injected adjustability in the chassis, but unfortunately 208 GTI will be faster version of this: http://www.autocar.co.uk/car-review/peugeot/208/ri...Here's hoping PGA can turn things around and have a return to form.
And, yes, it is the same mechanics as for DS3 Racing, so it will similarly good-meaning could be better.
And 205 GTI was more serious stuff as a drivers car then any of todays hatches(despite supreme excellence of Renaultsport)
Edited by hotmelt on Tuesday 24th July 01:53
dougc said:
thewheelman said:
StottyZr said:
dougc said:
205 must have been about 130bhp/tonne since it was made of baguatte crust and copies of Le Monde.
My guess this is 1.5t+ and 200bhp?
It'll be about 1200kg. Stop exagerrating!My guess this is 1.5t+ and 200bhp?
OK, maybe I was exaggerating but lets face it, it isn't going to be light is it?
Grodecki said:
It looks like it's been clubbed in the nose.
Yep, agree there, and with all other new-nose Pugs too. This one also features fussy styling, with insane dash ergonomics.
Doubt it will be a reborn 205, but let's give 'em a chance...
Edited by beasto on Tuesday 24th July 11:33
thewheelman said:
Pistonwot said:
Zimmerman says "We want more emphasis on everyday usability"
So where does GTI part come into it pal?
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Really? The original point of a hot hatch was to offer customers the everyday usability, with a bit more get up & go.So where does GTI part come into it pal?
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How could you not know that????????
The point of hatchbacks?
Designed as shopping cars that were easy for women-folk to drive and cheapest to build.
Hence they are easy to see out of, have power steering and nice managable overhangs complete with a big boot thats easily accessible and a mirror for your make-up.
The "usability" part comes from overpaid assholes in marketing departments who used a big word to trick dimwitted cheapskates into a heavily discounted womans car instead of getting a full-fat proper mans car at a premium.
Bottom line,,,
Hatchbacks are the cheapest cars to produce by far and that is why manufacturers love them,,,,
Why else would manufacturers pay so much to whole departments of marketing assholes who then TELL you that you love them too,,,, and you believed them.
If I drove a hatch Id wear a paper bag over my head every time I was forced to go out in the stinker,,,,
For all those who continually wish for a reborn 205 GTi please go and buy an entry level C1 and then give a further 5k to those chaps at c1gti.co.uk.
For everyone else harping on about a car that you have little or no experience of I urge you to be my worst nightmare, rock up at your local Peugeot dealer and ask for a test drive in a 1.2 208, preferably the mid spec active model which sits nicely on its 15s.
It's fun, somehow feels faster than the 1.4 and can corner. I got my girlfriend a 206 because I didn't want to drive a 207 (having owned a cc derivative) but in a years time there's no doubt that I will be getting her one of these. I prefer bigger cars but could drive one of these all day long.
For everyone else harping on about a car that you have little or no experience of I urge you to be my worst nightmare, rock up at your local Peugeot dealer and ask for a test drive in a 1.2 208, preferably the mid spec active model which sits nicely on its 15s.
It's fun, somehow feels faster than the 1.4 and can corner. I got my girlfriend a 206 because I didn't want to drive a 207 (having owned a cc derivative) but in a years time there's no doubt that I will be getting her one of these. I prefer bigger cars but could drive one of these all day long.
ajh38 said:
For all those who continually wish for a reborn 205 GTi please go and buy an entry level C1 and then give a further 5k to those chaps at c1gti.co.uk.
For everyone else harping on about a car that you have little or no experience of I urge you to be my worst nightmare, rock up at your local Peugeot dealer and ask for a test drive in a 1.2 208, preferably the mid spec active model which sits nicely on its 15s.
It's fun, somehow feels faster than the 1.4 and can corner. I got my girlfriend a 206 because I didn't want to drive a 207 (having owned a cc derivative) but in a years time there's no doubt that I will be getting her one of these. I prefer bigger cars but could drive one of these all day long.
You are comparing turbo-ed, benign handling tuned C1 with superbly honed, race car dynamics 205 GTi? For everyone else harping on about a car that you have little or no experience of I urge you to be my worst nightmare, rock up at your local Peugeot dealer and ask for a test drive in a 1.2 208, preferably the mid spec active model which sits nicely on its 15s.
It's fun, somehow feels faster than the 1.4 and can corner. I got my girlfriend a 206 because I didn't want to drive a 207 (having owned a cc derivative) but in a years time there's no doubt that I will be getting her one of these. I prefer bigger cars but could drive one of these all day long.
And I will rather trust in depth Autocar test of 208 than your few meters drive of 208. It may be trashable, but not as good as Fiesta, Polo, even Koreans.
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