RE: Chris Harris video: GT2 RS vs Ducati Panigale
Discussion
lazygraduand said:
Afraid to say that video did nothing for me- I'm usually a huge fan of Mr Harris and his productions, but this one seemed overly artsy and a bit contrived-there didn't seem to be much in the way of substance- a 20 minute video of a few runs up Santa Pod. Dare I say it, I was a bit bored by the end. Not helped by the 'discussion' in the last few minutes which to me seemed pretty dull!
Sorry! Just being honest.
I have to agree - really boring.Sorry! Just being honest.
I think we can let Chris off though seeing as the rest of his videos are so good.
Just my 2p
Nice to see a genuine video, with performance vehicles, and piloted by normal blokes. I reckon a shorter 5-10 minute video of the same story would have been better.
Maybe a nice finish would have been to hand the keys over to some professional racers and see how they set the vehicles up and what difference they get in results to 'normal bloke'. That would be a great part 2.
Nice to see a genuine video, with performance vehicles, and piloted by normal blokes. I reckon a shorter 5-10 minute video of the same story would have been better.
Maybe a nice finish would have been to hand the keys over to some professional racers and see how they set the vehicles up and what difference they get in results to 'normal bloke'. That would be a great part 2.
raptor600 said:
lazygraduand said:
Afraid to say that video did nothing for me- I'm usually a huge fan of Mr Harris and his productions, but this one seemed overly artsy and a bit contrived-there didn't seem to be much in the way of substance- a 20 minute video of a few runs up Santa Pod. Dare I say it, I was a bit bored by the end. Not helped by the 'discussion' in the last few minutes which to me seemed pretty dull!
Sorry! Just being honest.
I have to agree - really boring.Sorry! Just being honest.
I think we can let Chris off though seeing as the rest of his videos are so good.
If you've never tried going balls out (and I mean in a totally committed manner) down a quarter mile strip which has traction properties like you've never experienced before (massive traction then none at all) in a car you don't own with over 600 hp and two 2ft thick concrete walls either side.. and not understand how that could be exciting then you need to get out more.
Then apply that to riding someone elses £20,000 bike running side by side with said car!
I thought the video was amazing. It takes a lot more balls than running doughnuts on a practised corner with a static camera.
Good stuff Chris.. get your bike test in then do it again only with a ZZR1400 which is half a second quicker on the quarter than the Panigale
garypotter said:
I think we all new what the outcome would be before watching the video.......
Still suprised the bike didnt break the 10 sec barrier
Agreed. Predictable, but fun video non the less. Surprised how hard it was for the Porsche to get the power down. My testicles aren't big enough to ride a bike like that.Still suprised the bike didnt break the 10 sec barrier
Dull video.
Edit: yet I just watched it a second time...........the Porsche is gorgeous!
Edit: OK, just watched that dull video a 3rd time. I have now gone from wanting that Porsche in my life, to needing it. It looks a real handful.
Oh, when you mention Wes in the video, that wouldn't be Wes Siler by any chance?
Edit: yet I just watched it a second time...........the Porsche is gorgeous!
Edited by thewheelman on Thursday 26th July 11:31
Edit: OK, just watched that dull video a 3rd time. I have now gone from wanting that Porsche in my life, to needing it. It looks a real handful.
Oh, when you mention Wes in the video, that wouldn't be Wes Siler by any chance?
Edited by thewheelman on Thursday 26th July 12:07
Whilst I appreciate the requirement for hits on videos, I like Chris states in the video, agree that it's as dull as dish water.. I did however watch it, didn't I.
Love the Porsche, what a savage animal of a thing. The Bike is also a stunning piece of kit to look at.
Bring on the next video that includes corners
Love the Porsche, what a savage animal of a thing. The Bike is also a stunning piece of kit to look at.
Bring on the next video that includes corners
Both are amazing pieces of kit and I'd love to have either or preferably both in my garage. However it was a bit of a foregone conclusion to be honest. The power to weight ratio always means that a car is on the back foot before it's even set off the line.
The only real advantage a car can have in a drag race vs a bike is off the line traction and Chris has mananaged to negate that totally by choosing a rear wheel drive Porsche. Next time he should just take a GT-R and not use the launch control if that's a requirement. It would still give it a better run than the RS I reckon. Eiher that or Chris needs to learn how to drive properly at a drag strip, it's actually a lot harder than it looks, not just a matter of mashing the go pedal
(My first ever run at Santa Pod saw me spinning on the line going nowhere fast for about 10 seconds)
The only real advantage a car can have in a drag race vs a bike is off the line traction and Chris has mananaged to negate that totally by choosing a rear wheel drive Porsche. Next time he should just take a GT-R and not use the launch control if that's a requirement. It would still give it a better run than the RS I reckon. Eiher that or Chris needs to learn how to drive properly at a drag strip, it's actually a lot harder than it looks, not just a matter of mashing the go pedal
(My first ever run at Santa Pod saw me spinning on the line going nowhere fast for about 10 seconds)
Great video Mr Harris – I love the Car vs Bike stuff, always interesting to see each of their strengths and weaknesses especially as technologies for each evolve like they are currently.
Although I love the Panigale and can see why it was used, I think any modern litre sports orientated bike (S1000RR, GSX-R, ZX10R, RSV-4, Fireblade etc) would still be considerably quicker than that Porsche (or a Turbo) in a test like that. Wait till you eventually get to ride one, it will redefine what you think is fast
Looking forward to Part II already! When you have a rolling start, so initial traction isn’t so much of an issue, I think things will be quite a bit closer as you’ll be able to use full throttle a lot sooner and aerodynamics will come in to play. Who knows, the biker might be looking at the rather lovely rear end of that Porsche…. Don’t bet on it though, the only standard car I’ve seen beat a litre bike was a Veyron vs R1 on YouTube a couple of years back, and even then that was when they were already rolling… But that’s not really showing the complete package is it, we all know cars have better lateral grip, better brakes etc, so I think a few timed laps of a decent track will give a better overall picture – Keep up the great vids, can’t wait to see it!
Although I love the Panigale and can see why it was used, I think any modern litre sports orientated bike (S1000RR, GSX-R, ZX10R, RSV-4, Fireblade etc) would still be considerably quicker than that Porsche (or a Turbo) in a test like that. Wait till you eventually get to ride one, it will redefine what you think is fast
Looking forward to Part II already! When you have a rolling start, so initial traction isn’t so much of an issue, I think things will be quite a bit closer as you’ll be able to use full throttle a lot sooner and aerodynamics will come in to play. Who knows, the biker might be looking at the rather lovely rear end of that Porsche…. Don’t bet on it though, the only standard car I’ve seen beat a litre bike was a Veyron vs R1 on YouTube a couple of years back, and even then that was when they were already rolling… But that’s not really showing the complete package is it, we all know cars have better lateral grip, better brakes etc, so I think a few timed laps of a decent track will give a better overall picture – Keep up the great vids, can’t wait to see it!
Edited by ZX10Ben on Thursday 26th July 11:54
Edited by ZX10Ben on Thursday 26th July 11:55
E30M3SE said:
Certain posters commenting on tyres on the Panigale, they look like the stock tyres that are supplied from factory.
From Ducati website,
Porsche is on Michelin Cups, the factory standard tyres.
Likely Pirelli Super Corsas or summat (I cant pick tyres from the tread pattern anymore From Ducati website,
Porsche is on Michelin Cups, the factory standard tyres.
). *Should* be sticky enough for a pretty decent start and with the lack of a tyre warmer, a better bet than sticking a racing slick on.Maybe its just me, but I would have thought a journo of Monkeys calibre SHOULD know how to drive a car under varying conditions. Hell, he even owns a rather expensive porsche himself, so he's obviously no stranger to Porsches, is he?
Poor showing from someone in his position, frankly.
As to the machinery chosen, meh, whatever. The Porsche looked badly out of its element, and the bike wanted to wheelie almost everywhere.
What surprises me, is that many of the top bikes, be they jap or euro, have gone under 10's in stock form. I believe I've even seen a stock 600 go under 10's.
Yes the video is a lovely production of some average skills on display, of some useful bits of kit, being fanged woefully out of their element.
Poor showing from someone in his position, frankly.
As to the machinery chosen, meh, whatever. The Porsche looked badly out of its element, and the bike wanted to wheelie almost everywhere.
What surprises me, is that many of the top bikes, be they jap or euro, have gone under 10's in stock form. I believe I've even seen a stock 600 go under 10's.
Yes the video is a lovely production of some average skills on display, of some useful bits of kit, being fanged woefully out of their element.
big_rob_sydney said:
Maybe its just me, but I would have thought a journo of Monkeys calibre SHOULD know how to drive a car under varying conditions. Hell, he even owns a rather expensive porsche himself, so he's obviously no stranger to Porsches, is he?
Poor showing from someone in his position, frankly.
Even the most skilled drag racers cannot generate traction or defy the laws of physics.. Poor showing from someone in his position, frankly.
Accelerating at the limit of adhesion is an exceedingly difficult thing to judge
20 minute video for a drag race seems a bit OTT to me. And it was a foregone conclusion, of course, so it could have been rather dull.
HOWEVER, seeing the 'working' and how the foregone conclusion was reached was rather interesting.
Don't know why neither of them brought up the torque issue when they were discussing the difficulty in getting traction with the massive tyres on the Porsche vs the tiny ones on the Duke though.
HOWEVER, seeing the 'working' and how the foregone conclusion was reached was rather interesting.
Don't know why neither of them brought up the torque issue when they were discussing the difficulty in getting traction with the massive tyres on the Porsche vs the tiny ones on the Duke though.
Don1 said:
I haven't watched it yet, but the covering article looks like a Wiki with all the hyperlinking. Just some constructive feedback.
Quite a lot of this going on in recent PH items, I've noticed. Can look a bit messy and I'm sure it makes the wording flow a little worse than if they weren't trying to cram as many links to past articles as possible. Again, just constructive feedback.Great video, I agree with Harris that I would also love to have a Panigale (and a lot of other modern sports bikes) just to adore as a piece of automotive art, not being a biker myself.
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