40 mph cruisers who speed up when overtaken...
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Really getting annoying with these people who can't stand having a car in front of them, I see people overtake and lane swap constantly even on 40mph dual carriageways just so they can be in front and do the 44mph they crave, if someone tries to overtake me in a 40 sometimes i just speed up to see a bit of road rage on their face, makes my day 
But I do agree people who are doing 20 below the limit and then speed up, that is obviously dangerous.
However when I think I'm doing a decent speed on a country road and I see someone in an Audi with fairy lights on the front with a serious/smug face with uber dark sunglasses on it is bloody tempting to change down in ma little Ignis and make him work for the overtake a bit, would only ever do that on a safe straight road of course
But I do agree people who are doing 20 below the limit and then speed up, that is obviously dangerous.
However when I think I'm doing a decent speed on a country road and I see someone in an Audi with fairy lights on the front with a serious/smug face with uber dark sunglasses on it is bloody tempting to change down in ma little Ignis and make him work for the overtake a bit, would only ever do that on a safe straight road of course
Cotty said:
Thats not a very nice generalisation, especially given the average age of a PH member. If you are joking or being sarcastic perhaps a smilie might have helped.
Obviously it is a generalisation but certainly in the south the worst group of drivers with regards to manners and civility are this group. Made worse by the fact that they obviously know better but chose not to indicate, not to move into empty inside lanes, not say thanks when let out. It's a group who really do come across as thinking they are something special. PHers do tend to be different as we take pride in our driving and driving includes etiquette.
iggysport said:
Really getting annoying with these people who can't stand having a car in front of them, I see people overtake and lane swap constantly even on 40mph dual carriageways just so they can be in front and do the 44mph they crave, if someone tries to overtake me in a 40 sometimes i just speed up to see a bit of road rage on their face, makes my day
But I do agree people who are doing 20 below the limit and then speed up, that is obviously dangerous.
However when I think I'm doing a decent speed on a country road and I see someone in an Audi with fairy lights on the front with a serious/smug face with uber dark sunglasses on it is bloody tempting to change down in ma little Ignis and make him work for the overtake a bit, would only ever do that on a safe straight road of course
Please leave this forum and never come back. But I do agree people who are doing 20 below the limit and then speed up, that is obviously dangerous.
However when I think I'm doing a decent speed on a country road and I see someone in an Audi with fairy lights on the front with a serious/smug face with uber dark sunglasses on it is bloody tempting to change down in ma little Ignis and make him work for the overtake a bit, would only ever do that on a safe straight road of course
iggysport said:
From reading my post you probably think i do it all the time, just do it when soneone annoys me or i'm in a s
t mood and fancy a giggle. Anyway I'll be over here digging myself an even bigger hole 
The problem is that while I doubt many of us see any harm in winding up a pompous driver it's very much a case of time and place. t mood and fancy a giggle. Anyway I'll be over here digging myself an even bigger hole The longer someone stays on the other side of the road the faster the danger increases on an almost logarithmic scale.
Just never do it. If you keep the guy there his focus will change from the road to your car and the clock is ticking before the family car comes out of a side road, round a corner or one of you even clips a curb. Which I've seen happen.
Please find your laughs in a different way, one which doesn't endanger yourself and others unnecassarily. There are loads of ways to do this they just require imagination.
The best one for Barrys is to deny them the victory by easing off the throttle and waving them past with your hand as they start their overtake. That way you have let them go on their merry way but at the same time have insulted their feeble manhood by implying that you helped them get past.
There is just never a suitable time and place or reason to hold another driver out of lane and every reason to lift off the throttle to keep their exposure to as short a time as possible.
DonkeyApple said:
The problem is that while I doubt many of us see any harm in winding up a pompous driver it's very much a case of time and place.
The longer someone stays on the other side of the road the faster the danger increases on an almost logarithmic scale.
Just never do it. If you keep the guy there his focus will change from the road to your car and the clock is ticking before the family car comes out of a side road, round a corner or one of you even clips a curb. Which I've seen happen.
Please find your laughs in a different way, one which doesn't endanger yourself and others unnecassarily. There are loads of ways to do this they just require imagination.
The best one for Barrys is to deny them the victory by easing off the throttle and waving them past with your hand as they start their overtake. That way you have let them go on their merry way but at the same time have insulted their feeble manhood by implying that you helped them get past.
There is just never a suitable time and place or reason to hold another driver out of lane and every reason to lift off the throttle to keep their exposure to as short a time as possible.
Haha! good idea that, I'm sure the Barrys would love that The longer someone stays on the other side of the road the faster the danger increases on an almost logarithmic scale.
Just never do it. If you keep the guy there his focus will change from the road to your car and the clock is ticking before the family car comes out of a side road, round a corner or one of you even clips a curb. Which I've seen happen.
Please find your laughs in a different way, one which doesn't endanger yourself and others unnecassarily. There are loads of ways to do this they just require imagination.
The best one for Barrys is to deny them the victory by easing off the throttle and waving them past with your hand as they start their overtake. That way you have let them go on their merry way but at the same time have insulted their feeble manhood by implying that you helped them get past.
There is just never a suitable time and place or reason to hold another driver out of lane and every reason to lift off the throttle to keep their exposure to as short a time as possible.
I would never do it where there would be any side roads but I do see your point, 99% I do just rise above it but sometimes the temptation is just too great
iggysport said:
Really getting annoying with these people who can't stand having a car in front of them, I see people overtake and lane swap constantly even on 40mph dual carriageways just so they can be in front and do the 44mph they crave, if someone tries to overtake me in a 40 sometimes i just speed up to see a bit of road rage on their face, makes my day
But I do agree people who are doing 20 below the limit and then speed up, that is obviously dangerous.
However when I think I'm doing a decent speed on a country road and I see someone in an Audi with fairy lights on the front with a serious/smug face with uber dark sunglasses on it is bloody tempting to change down in ma little Ignis and make him work for the overtake a bit, would only ever do that on a safe straight road of course
But I do agree people who are doing 20 below the limit and then speed up, that is obviously dangerous.
However when I think I'm doing a decent speed on a country road and I see someone in an Audi with fairy lights on the front with a serious/smug face with uber dark sunglasses on it is bloody tempting to change down in ma little Ignis and make him work for the overtake a bit, would only ever do that on a safe straight road of course
DonkeyApple said:
Cotty said:
Thats not a very nice generalisation, especially given the average age of a PH member. If you are joking or being sarcastic perhaps a smilie might have helped.
Obviously it is a generalisation but certainly in the south the worst group of drivers with regards to manners and civility are this group. Made worse by the fact that they obviously know better but chose not to indicate, not to move into empty inside lanes, not say thanks when let out. It's a group who really do come across as thinking they are something special. Trouble with such "Stereotypes" is when you see someone you believe from the group behaving in a manner that meets the Stereotype it reinforces your view, but you will ignore the 99 other people from the same group that don't behave in that manner because they did nothing to make remember them. Similarly when you see someone you believe outside the group behaving in such a manner you don't dilute the view but just treat them as an exception. See Confirmation bias
otolith said:
I think people are entitled to complain, in the sense that accelerating to block an overtake is a massively tttish thing to do, and ought to be treated as dangerous driving by BiB.
Similar thing to that (same principle really), I had an old fella shut me out years ago as I tried to change lanes to avoid someone in front of me sticking a last minute indicator on. Guy put the blinkers on as he went past but being a quick car he was in the noise and nose lifting significantly made it obvious he had shut me out deliberately. Unfortunately for him the car behind him in the inside lane (3 lane road) was an unmarked police car. Blues went on and he was pulled into the bus stop just ahead. Saw him getting out the car and being put in the back of the police car before I had to move on but made me laugh and restored my faith in our BiB.ttish thing to do, and ought to be treated as dangerous driving by BiB.iggysport said:
Haha! good idea that, I'm sure the Barrys would love that
I would never do it where there would be any side roads but I do see your point, 99% I do just rise above it but sometimes the temptation is just too great
I do agree. There is always temptation. I would never do it where there would be any side roads but I do see your point, 99% I do just rise above it but sometimes the temptation is just too great
But most times letting them go passed and making a signal that you have ordained their manoeuvre satisfies our male need to be dominant and condescending while being very safe.
The art lies in the contemptuous hand wave out the window that signifies we recognise they wish to go faster but at the same time they need our help in order to do so.
It's all about reckognising our own male ego weaknesses in order to deflate another's.
As Sun Tzu wrote, to know your enemy, you must know yourself.
There are always ways to annoy people without endangering others, we just need to allocate thought to work out the best way.
JimmyTheHand said:
How you know they think themselves special? and not say just running on auto-pilot
Trouble with such "Stereotypes" is when you see someone you believe from the group behaving in a manner that meets the Stereotype it reinforces your view, but you will ignore the 99 other people from the same group that don't behave in that manner because they did nothing to make remember them. Similarly when you see someone you believe outside the group behaving in such a manner you don't dilute the view but just treat them as an exception. See Confirmation bias
You're relying on the basis of 'singular action' which always should be removed from stereotype creation as it is anomalous. Trouble with such "Stereotypes" is when you see someone you believe from the group behaving in a manner that meets the Stereotype it reinforces your view, but you will ignore the 99 other people from the same group that don't behave in that manner because they did nothing to make remember them. Similarly when you see someone you believe outside the group behaving in such a manner you don't dilute the view but just treat them as an exception. See Confirmation bias
True scenarios which support and form evidential characteristics are the actions of repeat offense.
If someone is in front of you on the road then you can witness multiple actions to allow you to form a relevant opinion. I would discount singular actions from a stereotype for the exact reasons you stipulate. It's not relevant data due to one off circumstances.
For example, I stopped and let through half a dozen cars this morning and the only person to say thank you was the peroxide blonde, young lass with she'd loads of make up in a small convertible. The exact stereotype one would normally cast as being away with the fairies. Later, at a ped crossing, the only person who said thank you for waiting was an Asian immigrant.
I'm happily aware of stats and stereotypes as well as basic data analysis but I stand by my view on the 50-65 age group bloke. Certainly round here all sensible data points to this group being Ill mannered and self important when behind the wheel of a car.
It's not all bad. I've been driving on some A roads in south wales today and yes there were quite a few people dawdling along but none of them sped up or tried to block me. Three different cars indicated to the left and lifted off as I moved over to go around them which was nice to see.
DonkeyApple said:
I do agree. There is always temptation.
But most times letting them go passed and making a signal that you have ordained their manoeuvre satisfies our male need to be dominant and condescending while being very safe.
The art lies in the contemptuous hand wave out the window that signifies we recognise they wish to go faster but at the same time they need our help in order to do so.
It's all about reckognising our own male ego weaknesses in order to deflate another's.
As Sun Tzu wrote, to know your enemy, you must know yourself.
There are always ways to annoy people without endangering others, we just need to allocate thought to work out the best way.
You've really thought this through But most times letting them go passed and making a signal that you have ordained their manoeuvre satisfies our male need to be dominant and condescending while being very safe.
The art lies in the contemptuous hand wave out the window that signifies we recognise they wish to go faster but at the same time they need our help in order to do so.
It's all about reckognising our own male ego weaknesses in order to deflate another's.
As Sun Tzu wrote, to know your enemy, you must know yourself.
There are always ways to annoy people without endangering others, we just need to allocate thought to work out the best way.
I find van drivers etc are the worst for passing.. They're generally driven in anger as they're always in a rush.
There's a bit of B road near me that's part of my commute and I generally get stuck behind one, there's a left hand bend then a very long straight that's perfect for overtakes etc etc. a lot of the time it's not the speeding up as I'm expecting them to do that, I just want to go quicker as its a bit of a hoon road. But they do the drifting over bit when I'm looking to pass or worse mid-pass. Often I end up on the marbles on the opposite side of the road to get past. All the time you can see them looking in the mirror so they're clearly aware of their actions.
There's a bit of B road near me that's part of my commute and I generally get stuck behind one, there's a left hand bend then a very long straight that's perfect for overtakes etc etc. a lot of the time it's not the speeding up as I'm expecting them to do that, I just want to go quicker as its a bit of a hoon road. But they do the drifting over bit when I'm looking to pass or worse mid-pass. Often I end up on the marbles on the opposite side of the road to get past. All the time you can see them looking in the mirror so they're clearly aware of their actions.
philmots said:
I find van drivers etc are the worst for passing.. They're generally driven in anger as they're always in a rush.
There's a bit of B road near me that's part of my commute and I generally get stuck behind one, there's a left hand bend then a very long straight that's perfect for overtakes etc etc. a lot of the time it's not the speeding up as I'm expecting them to do that, I just want to go quicker as its a bit of a hoon road. But they do the drifting over bit when I'm looking to pass or worse mid-pass. Often I end up on the marbles on the opposite side of the road to get past. All the time you can see them looking in the mirror so they're clearly aware of their actions.
Utter madness, I have had it a few times recently and I am thus considering selling up my un practical road car and having something comfy anf fast when needed ie M3 or S5 and perhaps a track only car.There's a bit of B road near me that's part of my commute and I generally get stuck behind one, there's a left hand bend then a very long straight that's perfect for overtakes etc etc. a lot of the time it's not the speeding up as I'm expecting them to do that, I just want to go quicker as its a bit of a hoon road. But they do the drifting over bit when I'm looking to pass or worse mid-pass. Often I end up on the marbles on the opposite side of the road to get past. All the time you can see them looking in the mirror so they're clearly aware of their actions.
I drive a great deal on rural national speed limit roads, and many a time I come across the old "45 mph" moron or two. I wait until a suitably clear piece of road appears, then overtake. This is not usually an issue in the Focus. It has plenty of torque for overtaking.
However, I have my Wife's 1.25 Zetec Fiesta this week, and have noticed what the OP has mentioned. People don't seem to like being overtaken by a 1997 slightly rusting Fiesta and try their best to block any attempt to overtake by speeding up. It doesn't take much from modern cars and I'm left high and dry. Not only is it petty and dangerous, it is also highly frustrating. I find more and more that I'm having to resort to momentum overtakes in the Fiesta, just so I have enough speed through the overtake to counter any potential small-minded people who object to me passing them.
However, I have my Wife's 1.25 Zetec Fiesta this week, and have noticed what the OP has mentioned. People don't seem to like being overtaken by a 1997 slightly rusting Fiesta and try their best to block any attempt to overtake by speeding up. It doesn't take much from modern cars and I'm left high and dry. Not only is it petty and dangerous, it is also highly frustrating. I find more and more that I'm having to resort to momentum overtakes in the Fiesta, just so I have enough speed through the overtake to counter any potential small-minded people who object to me passing them.
matchmaker said:
As far as I am concerned someone who does this is trying to kill me, so should be charged with attempted murder 
If they endangered my life (and those of my passengers / other road users) with this soft of small-minded and unacceptable behaviour, I'd be seething. If they went as far as causing me to have a collision where I otherwise wouldn't have, I'd damn well make sure that I took them out rather than an "innocent" third party. The mindset is absolutely pathetic. - Why does it matter if someone wants to go faster than you? I always let those that want to go faster past (as long as it's safe), no matter whether they're driving a Fiesta or Ferrari. Actually, I enjoy seeing other people enjoying their cars! Fair play to them!
I can't help but notice the different reaction I get when driving different cars. In the BMW, you're seen as a knob no matter how patient and gentlemanly you are (people often act surprised when you show them some courtesy and a smile, especially when they see that I have the optional indicator light pack fitted!
). I don't get the same level of aggression when I'm in the C4. I recently had a Jaguar XF as a courtesy car and driven in exactly the same way, other cars gave way to me like the sea parting for Moses. Strange. 
Anyway; I can promise other road users that I won't endanger them during an overtake as long as they promise not to try anything silly whilst I'm at it. I can't really be any fairer than that!
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