How special is the Peugeot 405 T16?
Discussion
Davie said:
I love obscure 90's stuff like this especially when it winds up those who think the Cosworth was the one and only 4 door, 4x4 saloon with 150mph potential. The 405 T16, Alfa Romeo 155 Q4, Cavalier Turbo, Renault 21 Quadra... granted all had their flaws but for some reason they appeal more than the obligitory Sapphire Cosworth and to be fair, in standard guise all were capable of giving the Cossie a serious fright.
To the classifieds!
Not forgetting the Legacy Turbo and VR4 Galant that were around at this time. All pretty much the same sort of formula so often compared.To the classifieds!
Wonder how many 155Q4s still exist over here?
I never knew these existed. I recall the Mi-16 and the fabulous 8v 405 1.9GTX, a fine drivers car with a lovely chassis. Perhaps it isn't as 'mental' as a Cosseh, but you don't need to have lots of tattoos and a faltering command of the English language to drive the Pug. Nobody knows what it is, fewer care and fewer still will be trying to steal it......and you have a pretty fast old weapon. A fine plan.
Wow what a wonderful trip down memory lane...
This was the first car I drove after passing my driving test in 1994.
I managed to convince my dad to chop in his Mi16 for the T16 which he did.
It was such a rare car in Holland, and we only ever saw one other one in the 3 years of him owning it.
Good bits:
Grip and torque, it was so much more meaty than the Mi16, but did not sound as special than the naturally aspirated engine.
Bad bits:
- Factory recall, this was to re-chip the car to reduce the initial boost to protect the gear box, this in turn changed the power delivery and never felt that urgent again (shame)
- Transfer box failed within the 1st year of ownership, I guess the re-chip did not work.
- Cable linked gear box was so notchy, any traffic light grand-prix was always a lottery whether you could snatch 2nd gear without it snagging.
- Snow handling, was really tricky. The car always snapped into sudden oversteer either on or off the throttle. Yes the car was on original PZeros, but still this was unacceptable.
It is one of the cars I miss the most but only because it was so rare. My dad always said the Mi16 was a much better car, it sounded nicer, had a better gearbox and had much much better pin sharp steering.
Thank you for posting the car test articles, a real trip down memory lane especially the 'Grip & Grunt' issue (which I used to brain wash my dad).
This was the first car I drove after passing my driving test in 1994.
I managed to convince my dad to chop in his Mi16 for the T16 which he did.
It was such a rare car in Holland, and we only ever saw one other one in the 3 years of him owning it.
Good bits:
Grip and torque, it was so much more meaty than the Mi16, but did not sound as special than the naturally aspirated engine.
Bad bits:
- Factory recall, this was to re-chip the car to reduce the initial boost to protect the gear box, this in turn changed the power delivery and never felt that urgent again (shame)
- Transfer box failed within the 1st year of ownership, I guess the re-chip did not work.
- Cable linked gear box was so notchy, any traffic light grand-prix was always a lottery whether you could snatch 2nd gear without it snagging.
- Snow handling, was really tricky. The car always snapped into sudden oversteer either on or off the throttle. Yes the car was on original PZeros, but still this was unacceptable.
It is one of the cars I miss the most but only because it was so rare. My dad always said the Mi16 was a much better car, it sounded nicer, had a better gearbox and had much much better pin sharp steering.
Thank you for posting the car test articles, a real trip down memory lane especially the 'Grip & Grunt' issue (which I used to brain wash my dad).
scarebus said:
Wow what a wonderful trip down memory lane...
This was the first car I drove after passing my driving test in 1994.
I managed to convince my dad to chop in his Mi16 for the T16 which he did.
It was such a rare car in Holland, and we only ever saw one other one in the 3 years of him owning it.
Good bits:
Grip and torque, it was so much more meaty than the Mi16, but did not sound as special than the naturally aspirated engine.
Bad bits:
- Factory recall, this was to re-chip the car to reduce the initial boost to protect the gear box, this in turn changed the power delivery and never felt that urgent again (shame)
- Transfer box failed within the 1st year of ownership, I guess the re-chip did not work.
- Cable linked gear box was so notchy, any traffic light grand-prix was always a lottery whether you could snatch 2nd gear without it snagging.
- Snow handling, was really tricky. The car always snapped into sudden oversteer either on or off the throttle. Yes the car was on original PZeros, but still this was unacceptable.
It is one of the cars I miss the most but only because it was so rare. My dad always said the Mi16 was a much better car, it sounded nicer, had a better gearbox and had much much better pin sharp steering.
Thank you for posting the car test articles, a real trip down memory lane especially the 'Grip & Grunt' issue (which I used to brain wash my dad).
Seems to be a downside of the box that it was notchy - I think the last one I saw was in the South of France. Just didn't take off, mind you, there's not exactly loads of Mi-16s/Le Mans left either nowThis was the first car I drove after passing my driving test in 1994.
I managed to convince my dad to chop in his Mi16 for the T16 which he did.
It was such a rare car in Holland, and we only ever saw one other one in the 3 years of him owning it.
Good bits:
Grip and torque, it was so much more meaty than the Mi16, but did not sound as special than the naturally aspirated engine.
Bad bits:
- Factory recall, this was to re-chip the car to reduce the initial boost to protect the gear box, this in turn changed the power delivery and never felt that urgent again (shame)
- Transfer box failed within the 1st year of ownership, I guess the re-chip did not work.
- Cable linked gear box was so notchy, any traffic light grand-prix was always a lottery whether you could snatch 2nd gear without it snagging.
- Snow handling, was really tricky. The car always snapped into sudden oversteer either on or off the throttle. Yes the car was on original PZeros, but still this was unacceptable.
It is one of the cars I miss the most but only because it was so rare. My dad always said the Mi16 was a much better car, it sounded nicer, had a better gearbox and had much much better pin sharp steering.
Thank you for posting the car test articles, a real trip down memory lane especially the 'Grip & Grunt' issue (which I used to brain wash my dad).
s m said:
Seems to be a downside of the box that it was notchy - I think the last one I saw was in the South of France. Just didn't take off, mind you, there's not exactly loads of Mi-16s/Le Mans left either now
Can't imagine there are too many of the BX 16v or LHD 309 GTi-16 left either nows m said:
Not forgetting the Legacy Turbo and VR4 Galant that were around at this time. All pretty much the same sort of formula so often compared.
Wonder how many 155Q4s still exist over here?
Probably more than the Dedra Integrale I'd say. Was just thinking about the Passat GT G60 Syncro tooWonder how many 155Q4s still exist over here?
Spotted this at the Essen show earlier in the year (unfortunately was a fairly obscure one-off):
Edited by Leins on Tuesday 31st July 18:52
I'm hoping that this thread isn't dead but I've got a question regarding the differences in chassis between the 405 T16 4x4 and the Mi16; are there any differences? Basically, I want to know if there is a drive-shaft tunnel on the Mi16 chassis hidden away that Peugeot covered up since it's not AWD.
NateWM said:
Could you explain what they share with the rally car?
Rally car was a 2 door, as well as having a cage and strengthening points.
The '405 rally car' was actually a LWB Safari 205T16 chassis with a 405-look-a-like composite body.Rally car was a 2 door, as well as having a cage and strengthening points.
It was a 205 in a 405 frock, intended to promote the then-new model. Really, there wasnt a 405 rally car for this production car to be like.
thatPEUGEOTguy said:
I'm hoping that this thread isn't dead but I've got a question regarding the differences in chassis between the 405 T16 4x4 and the Mi16; are there any differences? Basically, I want to know if there is a drive-shaft tunnel on the Mi16 chassis hidden away that Peugeot covered up since it's not AWD.
You know that there was a Mi16x4 as well as a front wheel drive Mi16? GC8 said:
Other than finding all of the right parts?
HAHA, yea, I know that the parts are SUPER rare...I guess I just want to know if it's at all possible (given all the right parts). I might have to get some parts custom made and possibly an entirely different motor/drivetrain. I was just concerned with it having a tunnel for the drive shaft because i wouldnt want to cut the chassis down the middle to fabricate one.0a said:
Great post OP.
We live in a world of cars getting worse and worse for every generation (heavier, diesel powered, more and more disconnected) so fans of curios like this pug are very welcome in my books.
What happened to good peugeot cars? Such a shame.
We live in a world of cars getting worse and worse for every generation (heavier, diesel powered, more and more disconnected) so fans of curios like this pug are very welcome in my books.
What happened to good peugeot cars? Such a shame.
My old man had a white 'G' plate 405 SRI as a company car from '89 - '93. It was a cracking car to drive so I can only imagine how good an Mi16 or T16 would be.
thatPEUGEOTguy said:
HAHA, yea, I know that the parts are SUPER rare...I guess I just want to know if it's at all possible (given all the right parts). I might have to get some parts custom made and possibly an entirely different motor/drivetrain. I was just concerned with it having a tunnel for the drive shaft because i wouldnt want to cut the chassis down the middle to fabricate one.
IIRC, there were also lower models in the 405 range that came as 4x4s, such as the GRi and SRi. Still pretty rare I'd say thoughIt is very special indeed, according to my research there were built just over a 1000 of them in the period between 1992 and 1995.
I am actually getting my hands on a exemplar this summer, which is in very good condition. I do also have at the moment 4 other 405s where 2 of them are regular 2.0 GTX one is a GTX being built into a 405 GTI-6, I'm putting a engine form a 306 GTI-6 into it. And the last one is a MI16 parts car which I only wanted the bumpers and some minor parts from, but I got the entire car cheap :P So I'd call myself a 405 enthusiast, although I'm not an expert mechanic, I can still do most work on my cars myself.
On the other hand someone mentioned the 205 T16 which I think there were only made 200 of.
I am actually getting my hands on a exemplar this summer, which is in very good condition. I do also have at the moment 4 other 405s where 2 of them are regular 2.0 GTX one is a GTX being built into a 405 GTI-6, I'm putting a engine form a 306 GTI-6 into it. And the last one is a MI16 parts car which I only wanted the bumpers and some minor parts from, but I got the entire car cheap :P So I'd call myself a 405 enthusiast, although I'm not an expert mechanic, I can still do most work on my cars myself.
On the other hand someone mentioned the 205 T16 which I think there were only made 200 of.
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