Dirty parking protest
Discussion
Its not just residential areas, I work in a warehouse on an industrial estate, and the parking on the road outside our entrance is insane!
Trucks and trailers everywhere, and inconsiderate workers parking literally anywhere.
It has got to the point where some are parking on the actual T junction, and trailers parked partly blocking our car park entrance. When I finish at 10pm there are usually trucks parked all the way down the left side of the road, so you have to drive right upto a roundabout on the wrong side of the road to which cars and trucks come flying round blind.
Ive even had to drive onto the roundabout the wrong way just to get past trucks.
Our site manager has spoken to the council as it is so dangerous at times some of the women that work here are now too scared and not confident to use the junction after one was nearly hit head on.
The council are not interested at all, as they said even though they own the road, as it is not a main road or through route they don't consider it to be a problem!
Trucks and trailers everywhere, and inconsiderate workers parking literally anywhere.
It has got to the point where some are parking on the actual T junction, and trailers parked partly blocking our car park entrance. When I finish at 10pm there are usually trucks parked all the way down the left side of the road, so you have to drive right upto a roundabout on the wrong side of the road to which cars and trucks come flying round blind.
Ive even had to drive onto the roundabout the wrong way just to get past trucks.
Our site manager has spoken to the council as it is so dangerous at times some of the women that work here are now too scared and not confident to use the junction after one was nearly hit head on.
The council are not interested at all, as they said even though they own the road, as it is not a main road or through route they don't consider it to be a problem!
300bhp/ton said:
I think there needs to be another, better solution. Stopping people parking on the street is one thing, but were will they park? They need to park somewhere and it shouldn't be at huge cost either.
I think the council's "solution" is that everyone uses public transport rather than driving their cars to work...300bhp/ton said:
How much is the station car park. Where I live an annual permit will set you back around £1200. I mean honestly, would you happily today take a £1200 affective pay cut from your NET take home earnings?
Are you suggesting its acceptable to block someone else's drive, in order to save a few quid a day on parking?Edited by excel monkey on Tuesday 14th August 11:15
excel monkey said:
300bhp/ton said:
I think there needs to be another, better solution. Stopping people parking on the street is one thing, but were will they park? They need to park somewhere and it shouldn't be at huge cost either.
I think the council's "solution" is that everyone uses public transport rather than driving their cars to work...excel monkey said:
I think the council's "solution" is that everyone uses public transport rather than driving their cars to work...
Funnily enough, they've just built a new bus stop near the entrance to our industrial estate.The irony is, there has'nt been a decent regular bus service to and from the town for years
Raify said:
Most of the rest of town has resident's parking schemes, because of train commuters. This area is just far enough away from the station to have escaped so far...
Edited to add Google map of the building: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.126034,0.27928...
Looks like plenty of scope to add extra spaces in the grounds of the office building there. Also - I don't blame the local residents, look at Teise Close, that's quite a small cul-de-sac. If it's being infested with cars that would piss me right off as well.Edited to add Google map of the building: https://maps.google.co.uk/maps?q=51.126034,0.27928...
Edited by Raify on Tuesday 14th August 09:24
telecat said:
This is what comes of Planning Permission with limited Parking because they reckon "Locals" will have the jobs or Public Transport will do the job. You either setup in a Transport Hub or allow Parking. I believe Boots in Nottingham has similar problems.
^This. Seems to be the norm with new developments now, especially public funded things like hospitals/colleges/universities and so on. I assume the push for a 'green' economy means they are only given planning permission to build with limited parking spaces, the assumption being that people with then be forced into using public transport (however limited or impractical that may be).
Coventry University Hospital is a good example; a massive new build hospital with virtually no parking and only one road in and out.... it can take 30mins just to get in at shift change or visit hours and there is almost 0 chance of parking unless you are a blue badge holder.
I think in this case the residents anger is misplaced as the people parking there are simply trying to make a living and I'm sure they would not be parking on residential streets if there were any other options.
They need residents parking or to put pressure on the council to allow AXA to build a car park.
300bhp/ton said:
excel monkey said:
300bhp/ton said:
I think there needs to be another, better solution. Stopping people parking on the street is one thing, but were will they park? They need to park somewhere and it shouldn't be at huge cost either.
I think the council's "solution" is that everyone uses public transport rather than driving their cars to work...
excel monkey said:
Are you suggesting its acceptable to block someone else's drive, in order to save a few quid a day on parking?
You aren't actually being serious are you? Were on Earth did you read anything even remotely hinting at that.Edited by excel monkey on Tuesday 14th August 11:15
excel monkey said:
300bhp/ton said:
I think there needs to be another, better solution. Stopping people parking on the street is one thing, but were will they park? They need to park somewhere and it shouldn't be at huge cost either.
I think the council's "solution" is that everyone uses public transport rather than driving their cars to work...Take my current commute:
My 10-15 minute, 7 mile motorcycle journey would take about 80 minutes by PT.
I live a mile from the nearest bus stop. I'd say it takes me about 15 minutes to get there. The bus comes about every 20 minutes so let's say 10 minutes wait. The ride to the Bus Station is about 30 minutes at peak times and it doesn't take me all the way, so another 5 minutes walk gets me to the shuttle bus stop. The Shuttle takes about 25-30 minutes to the office. I currently get up about 07.15 and need to be at my desk at 08.45.
Using the PT route would mean I would need to be leaving the house at my current getting up time, and I'd get home about 6.30 whereas I currently get home about 5.20ish depending on when I leave work (official finish time is 5.00pm)
My motorcycle actually reduces congestion, according to recently published research (http://www.gizmag.com/motorcycles-reduce-congestion/21420/) but my local council is still resistant to any concessions to bikes. Despite numerous studies and good results in other cities, they will still not entertain the idea of motorcycles in bus lanes, for instance.
Pothole said:
his is exactly what they will tell you, without actually providing said transport.
Or even without public transport actually being a sensible solution to the transport requirements of the people who work there. It becomes very hard to run a sensible bus route from rural or semi-rural locations to somewhere that is itself a bus ride out of the local hub.In this case, it looks as if the place is only a ten minute walk from the railway/bus station, so that may not apply, but it depends where their workers are travelling from.
Pothole said:
excel monkey said:
I think the council's "solution" is that everyone uses public transport rather than driving their cars to work...
This is exactly what they will tell you, without actually providing said transport.
govt policy in a nutshell. Don't forget cycle lanes: turn eight feet of pavement going from nowhere to nowhere into an unsegregated path, or splash a bike symbol over the potholed, glassy, invisible-from-side-turnings road edge and then act suprised when people don't start using said 'facilities' en masse. 'But look, we're spending money, aren't we all green', well I spent twenty quid last night looking for the higgs boson and that didn't work either. At least I wasn't wasting taxpayer money 
I spent far too long in my working life trying to sort out these problems, advising developers. The trouble is that there is a policy disconnect. The Council thinks if they make parking difficult people will not take their cars. Of course they will. Some of them have little choice as public transport is so crap.
I feel both for the locals and the users,actually. It makes no sense to have office parks with inadequate parking provision so the Council can say it is fulfilling some green objective when we all know it makes f
k all difference to any such objective.
There are loads of office parks around ( I helped get permission for some of 'em) where the parking is completely insufficient but there is loads of unused land that has to be given over for additional landscaping or suchlike simply because policy won't let the developer build the spaces everyone knows are needed.
I once solved the problem when a hotel at Heathrow was refused permission to build extra parking by re-lining the car park to create more but smaller spaces- didn't require permission or payment of any kind of parking levy. Was great,just for once to put two fingers up at the whole stupid fking system.
I've retired now!
I feel both for the locals and the users,actually. It makes no sense to have office parks with inadequate parking provision so the Council can say it is fulfilling some green objective when we all know it makes f
k all difference to any such objective. There are loads of office parks around ( I helped get permission for some of 'em) where the parking is completely insufficient but there is loads of unused land that has to be given over for additional landscaping or suchlike simply because policy won't let the developer build the spaces everyone knows are needed.
I once solved the problem when a hotel at Heathrow was refused permission to build extra parking by re-lining the car park to create more but smaller spaces- didn't require permission or payment of any kind of parking levy. Was great,just for once to put two fingers up at the whole stupid f
king system.I've retired now!
otolith said:
Pothole said:
his is exactly what they will tell you, without actually providing said transport.
In this case, it looks as if the place is only a ten minute walk from the railway/bus station, so that may not apply, but it depends where their workers are travelling from.300bhp/ton said:
irocfan said:
irocfan said:
and while I understand that this is strictly speaking legal it most certainly isn't considerate. I live on a road blighted with commuters who seem to think it is fine to have part of their car encroaching on someones driveway on occasion it's a pain the the bloody arse and all so these fking tight-wad, pickey s can save themselves a parking fee in the local BR station 
How much is the station car park. Where I live an annual permit will set you back around £1200.king tight-wad, pickey s can save themselves a parking fee in the local BR station I mean honestly, would you happily today take a £1200 affective pay cut from your NET take home earnings? I suspect for some that's an entire months take home pay.
irocfan said:
funnily enough I may well be in that situation within the year - and you know what? I'll be stumping up the £900pa to park (though I do admit it'll be through gritted teeth!!)
But that's your choice, not everyone may be able to afford this. And if you are currently paying nothing to park to suddenly paying £900-1200/year that's a huge chunk of money for someone say earning £15-18k a year.Lakeland9 said:
I spent far too long in my working life trying to sort out these problems, advising developers. The trouble is that there is a policy disconnect. The Council thinks if they make parking difficult people will not take their cars. Of course they will. Some of them have little choice as public transport is so crap.
By "The council thinks" do you mean "the elected councillors think" or "The civil servants in the planning department think"?Pothole said:
otolith said:
Pothole said:
his is exactly what they will tell you, without actually providing said transport.
In this case, it looks as if the place is only a ten minute walk from the railway/bus station, so that may not apply, but it depends where their workers are travelling from.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff