Are car fuel consumption computer accurate

Are car fuel consumption computer accurate

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mollymoo

130 posts

147 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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Checked it twice and assuming the odo is right and the pumps stopped at the same level it's within 1 mpg. Haven't bothered to check since. As long as it's repeatable and has a fairly linear response does it really matter that much about the absolute accuracy?

Dave Hedgehog

14,569 posts

205 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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kambites said:
Our Skoda's one seems to be as close as I can realistically measure. Certainly within 1mpg.
most of the VAG ones i have used have been pretty accurate over a whole tank, they seam to get hopelessly optimistic on the range when you have just filled up


LeoSayer

7,308 posts

245 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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Dave Hedgehog said:
most of the VAG ones i have used have been pretty accurate over a whole tank, they seam to get hopelessly optimistic on the range when you have just filled up
My old Audi used to claim that I could get 500 miles out of a tank. I never even got 400.



Adrian E

3,248 posts

177 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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My Audi S8 over estimates fuel economy by between 2-9% depending on the type of driving done and distance travelled. It has NEVER underestimated lol

That's on a brimmed tank every fill up basis.

Odometer is required to meet certain accuracy requirement - speedo isn't allowed to underestimate speed under any circumstances, but can over-read by miles....

Sam.F

1,144 posts

201 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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Depends on the car - mine seems to be a little optimistic in that it generally suggests 1-2mpg more than what I'm actually getting whereas my OH's 116d seems to be pretty much spot on.

EddieFelson

1,168 posts

215 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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Engineer1 said:
Haven't people "read" the speed at the OBII port and seen it matches the sat nav while the speedo is showing 10% higher. The Odometer would be odd if it miss read by as much as distances between motorway junctions etc would soon show it up, print off a route plan then compare the route and your mileage.
Distances on signs are just as much out as everything else.

Otispunkmeyer

12,611 posts

156 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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otolith said:
It's conceivable that the algorithm being used by some cars to calculate the displayed "average" fuel consumption is doing something other than adding up fuel injected and dividing by miles travelled since last reset.

Edit - reciprocal, obviously.

Edited by otolith on Saturday 18th August 13:33
From what I know, they don't measure the the fuel. I was told many simply calculated it from numbers in the engine mapping. Ie basically a lookup table of pre programmed fuel numbers.

I have also heard they may back calculate from exhaust lambda sensors which basically give you how rich or lean you are running. But no direct measurement of the fuel going in. Even di engines won't do this as they'll just use period and pulse widths to change spray on time.

CooperS

4,506 posts

220 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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My car said it managed 33.4 mpg over a 390 mile trip. Just used a website to calculate it and turned out to be more like 32 mpg....

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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Nope, most just use a calculation based on the fuel injector pulse width (with corrections for dead time, fuel pressure, voltage etc)

Quite a few aftermarket ecus also have a fuel used output now too.

v8will

3,301 posts

197 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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I don't believe I've ever checked.

My Yaris doesn't have a consumption feature (the MK1 diesels don't whereas the petrol does - strange) yet I usually do some basic fag packet maths to get a fairly consistant 56mpg. My Saab on the other hand does and the reading is usually between 32 and 34 mpg, I've just taken it as gospel but it probably isn't far off.

budgie smuggler

5,392 posts

160 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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On my Focus mk2.5 it's less than 1mpg off over 3k miles since i started measuring it.

SSBB

695 posts

157 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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You are also relying on the fuel station pump flow totaliser giving an accurate volume of fuel delivered. These could be out by a few percent if recent news is to be believed (think I saw the link on here somewhere).

AdeTuono

7,259 posts

228 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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swerni said:
Roo said:
PanzerCommander said:
I find this with the 'Stang too, but then if like other posters have said that speedo accuracy comes into it then that might be why, I find that when comparing to the GPS speed measurement the 'Stangs speedometer is saying 70 when the GPS is saying 69.
They do seem to be incredibly accurate. Must be an American thing as they all seem to be like it.
The Camaro is exactly the same.
That's a shame; mine is showing 12 mpg. (I know, it's US, so actually 14.4 mpg...much better)

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

149 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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My company Seat Ibiza Sport TDi changes so often its hard to get an overall "per tank" calculation, however when you fill it up it often says around 600-700 miles in the tank. Ive yet to see anything like that.

BFG TERRANO

2,172 posts

149 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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SSBB said:
You are also relying on the fuel station pump flow totaliser giving an accurate volume of fuel delivered. These could be out by a few percent if recent news is to be believed (think I saw the link on here somewhere).
Very true. In a recent AA report several fuel stations had equipment tested after customers complaining of short measures. I dont remember the exact figures but the majority were actually dispensing slightly more fuel than registered on the pump display

Mr2Mike

20,143 posts

256 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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kambites said:
Always struck me as odd that people are intensely distrustful of their ECU's MPG reading, let trust the odometer when doing manual calculations.
That's because it's vastly easier to get an accurate distance measurement than it is to get an accurate 'fuel used' measurement.

The old Mk3 Mondeo TDCi was hopelessly inaccurate on the hire car I had, about 10mpg optimistic.

otolith

56,217 posts

205 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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What I was getting at is that if you have continuous time/speed/fuel flow data, you might decide that mean miles per gallon is a bad measure to display. You might decide not to count time spent idling. You might decide to take mean or median instantaneous fuel consumption or to exclude unusual hard acceleration or... I don't know if anyone does that kind of thing with the displayed mpg, quite possibly not, but it's certainly possible. I would imagine the distance to empty calculations are a little smarter.

Scuffers said:
Nope, most just use a calculation based on the fuel injector pulse width (with corrections for dead time, fuel pressure, voltage etc).
That's how I imagined they all got their data.

Carpal

3,630 posts

189 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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Both my golf and 3 series read 10-15% optimistically

Scuffers

20,887 posts

275 months

Sunday 19th August 2012
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distance to empty calculators are the problematic ones....

what most seem to do is take the average MPG from the last X miles and use this against what it thinks is left in the tank.

the problems with this are:

1) the fuel gauge in the tank is still very crude (float/potentiometer in an odd-shaped tank)
2) the last X miles average MPG can be wildly out of step with what mileage is to come.