What do you think the hottest hatch is out of the bunch
Discussion
DoubleSix said:
Why do these threads consistently overlook the BMW 130/135???
I'm baffled tbh, is it the price?, bangle design? lack of overt hot hatch styling?????
If this is a car lovers site surely a RWD car with a 6 pot up front is, well, superior to all the fwd scrabblers that usually get trotted out.
Having had a fair few hot hatches I know that the 130i I currently have outperforms an S3 on all counts. Genuinely confused.
It's just too big! To me, hot hatches are all about being small and nimble. IMO, even the focus RS is pushing it a bit on size, although it's a lovely car!I'm baffled tbh, is it the price?, bangle design? lack of overt hot hatch styling?????
If this is a car lovers site surely a RWD car with a 6 pot up front is, well, superior to all the fwd scrabblers that usually get trotted out.
Having had a fair few hot hatches I know that the 130i I currently have outperforms an S3 on all counts. Genuinely confused.
Mastodon2 said:
It wouldn't be a fair test unless I was racing my old Cupra, or an identically modded one. My Cupra R had a Jetex induction kit and cold air feed, Milltek catback, Forge dump valve, Forge turbo intake pipe and a REVO stage 2 map, so it was making about 270bhp - a significant chunk more than a standard 225. No doubt about it, that Cupra would have murdered my EP3 in a straight line, and it was probably quicker over a twisty road too, but the Civic is way, way more fun. Furthermore, I don't race anyone, on the open road or off the lights!
Turbo hatches lend themselves well to power upgrades and outright speed, the joy of the Type R is the rev-hungry nature and the lightfooted, sharp response of the car.
It's a hard decision for me because I'm a turbo lover and at the same time a r32 is quite tempting But I must say for now the type rs got the edge for me. Turbo hatches lend themselves well to power upgrades and outright speed, the joy of the Type R is the rev-hungry nature and the lightfooted, sharp response of the car.
abbotsmike said:
It's just too big! To me, hot hatches are all about being small and nimble. IMO, even the focus RS is pushing it a bit on size, although it's a lovely car!
Your right and I must say I do agree even with the rs comment 
lol but you are right even know that it's a great car but it is abit if a heffer in size.But as much as the 130i is quite big and as I said before it just misses something for me hence why I let the mrs have it without a argument lol but it's brilliant to drive its like some of the older hatches for fun I.e 205 gti and gti 6 306 obviously I'm not saying there the same drive but it just brings the fun factor in the bends like a oldie hot hatch
Try a Megane R26 than,the one you might have tried must be the normal 225 which is sh!t.
And id take the Civic TR out of that list,the mk1 R32 is absolutely sh!te and the mk1 S3 gives me headache,the ep3 would even match these in straight line speed while being better at everything else.
And id take the Civic TR out of that list,the mk1 R32 is absolutely sh!te and the mk1 S3 gives me headache,the ep3 would even match these in straight line speed while being better at everything else.
Hoygo said:
Try a Megane R26 than,the one you might have tried must be the normal 225 which is sh!t.
And id take the Civic TR out of that list,the mk1 R32 is absolutely sh!te and the mk1 S3 gives me headache,the ep3 would even match these in straight line speed while being better at everything else.
I've just looked and I think the one I did drive was the 225 I must say tho I'm not sure of the model but the latest megane sport I have seen looks very nice not sure if you know the one I mean 2010 model I saw a white one recently with nice brembos it looked savage but tbh I'm not a fan of newer French cars. And id take the Civic TR out of that list,the mk1 R32 is absolutely sh!te and the mk1 S3 gives me headache,the ep3 would even match these in straight line speed while being better at everything else.
My Renault 5 gt turbo is my only French exception lol
GA55SED said:
Lol quite right tho when you think about it and a mk5 r32 I must say looks preety plain as standard but I would still love one to be honest brilliant noise. What would you choose out of the list on the thread ?
I had a MK5 R32 for 5 years and quite liked the fact it didn't stand out too much from the pack.From the list I would pick the Mk4 R32, there is just something special about the V6 and as you say the noise. It's not the fastest, it's quite heavy, but the traction is good and it feels "special"
cuprabob said:
I had a MK5 R32 for 5 years and quite liked the fact it didn't stand out too much from the pack.
From the list I would pick the Mk4 R32, there is just something special about the V6 and as you say the noise. It's not the fastest, it's quite heavy, but the traction is good and it feels "special"
The only reason I wasnt a fan of it blending in is because I just think hot hatches should be loud and bold but that's just me I suppose. But even with the mk5 a nice set of bbs and a miltek exhaust and a few other bits and it no longer looks plain.From the list I would pick the Mk4 R32, there is just something special about the V6 and as you say the noise. It's not the fastest, it's quite heavy, but the traction is good and it feels "special"
But your right and not the only person to say it but they are one special bit of kit and that alone makes it a tighter section for me. Civic type r ep3 mk4 r32 or Leon cupra r its a hard one
GA55SED said:
I've just looked and I think the one I did drive was the 225 I must say tho I'm not sure of the model but the latest megane sport I have seen looks very nice not sure if you know the one I mean 2010 model I saw a white one recently with nice brembos it looked savage but tbh I'm not a fan of newer French cars.
My Renault 5 gt turbo is my only French exception lol
The one you have seen is the 250 cup mk3,going at 15k atm,exceptional hot hatch,i must say that the R26 and the newer RenaultSport stuff holds a bit of that old school feeling so are worth a look.My Renault 5 gt turbo is my only French exception lol
And another comment to the mk4 R32 is that when i drove one it felt very uninspiring generally and it was understeery and nose heavy on winding roads,and it has not enough power to pull up its weight,when compared to the ep3 TR there is no contest which is the best drivers car.
I suggest you to drive one before you decide though to judge by yourself.
GA55SED said:
Your right and I must say I do agree even with the rs comment lol but you are right even know that it's a great car but it is abit if a heffer in size.
But as much as the 130i is quite big and as I said before it just misses something for me hence why I let the mrs have it without a argument lol but it's brilliant to drive its like some of the older hatches for fun I.e 205 gti and gti 6 306 obviously I'm not saying there the same drive but it just brings the fun factor in the bends like a oldie hot hatch
I still dont get it. I bought the 130 for my mrs when I had the Cayman, since getting rid im temporarily in the BMW. lol but you are right even know that it's a great car but it is abit if a heffer in size.But as much as the 130i is quite big and as I said before it just misses something for me hence why I let the mrs have it without a argument lol but it's brilliant to drive its like some of the older hatches for fun I.e 205 gti and gti 6 306 obviously I'm not saying there the same drive but it just brings the fun factor in the bends like a oldie hot hatch
Its no bigger or heavier than the R32 everyone on here seems to love. It has better weight distribution. Better dynamic and SO MUCH MORE FUN on and over the limit. I ran a 57 plate S3 for a while which frankly bored me to tears. Turn off DTC on the little beemer and it's oppo all the way! Makes me giggle like no car has for a long time...
I guess if traffic light heroics and straight line perforance are a priority then none of the above really matters. But dynamics are first on my list.
DoubleSix said:
I still dont get it. I bought the 130 for my mrs when I had the Cayman, since getting rid im temporarily in the BMW.
Its no bigger or heavier than the R32 everyone on here seems to love. It has better weight distribution. Better dynamic and SO MUCH MORE FUN on and over the limit. I ran a 57 plate S3 for a while which frankly bored me to tears. Turn off DTC on the little beemer and it's oppo all the way! Makes me giggle like no car has for a long time...
I guess if traffic light heroics and straight line perforance are a priority then none of the above really matters. But dynamics are first on my list.
Personally for me the r32 is just more of a special car and many may think different and I never thought I would say it but I would say its better made too.Its no bigger or heavier than the R32 everyone on here seems to love. It has better weight distribution. Better dynamic and SO MUCH MORE FUN on and over the limit. I ran a 57 plate S3 for a while which frankly bored me to tears. Turn off DTC on the little beemer and it's oppo all the way! Makes me giggle like no car has for a long time...
I guess if traffic light heroics and straight line perforance are a priority then none of the above really matters. But dynamics are first on my list.
Don't get me wrong by all means it brings smiles to the face and in the bends it's cracking but it just misses something for me. But anytime I have to drive the one I gave to my mrs it's a complete joy. It's a great car but as for great hot hatch that's another thing
GA55SED said:
The only reason I wasnt a fan of it blending in is because I just think hot hatches should be loud and bold but that's just me I suppose. But even with the mk5 a nice set of bbs and a miltek exhaust and a few other bits and it no longer looks plain.
But your right and not the only person to say it but they are one special bit of kit and that alone makes it a tighter section for me. Civic type r ep3 mk4 r32 or Leon cupra r its a hard one
I had one of the first LCRs in the country bacj in 2002. Another great car too :-)But your right and not the only person to say it but they are one special bit of kit and that alone makes it a tighter section for me. Civic type r ep3 mk4 r32 or Leon cupra r its a hard one
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