RE: Aston Martin to stop Virage production

RE: Aston Martin to stop Virage production

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0a

23,902 posts

195 months

Friday 14th September 2012
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Porsche, Audi and BMW make cars that look identical and ugly, and they are lauded by PH. Aston make beautiful cars - with the Virage possibly the most beautiful, and they are criticised for it.

XJR500bhp

1,194 posts

211 months

Friday 14th September 2012
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0a said:
Porsche, Audi and BMW make cars that look identical and ugly, and they are lauded by PH. Aston make beautiful cars - with the Virage possibly the most beautiful, and they are criticised for it.
Totally agree

williamp

19,265 posts

274 months

Friday 14th September 2012
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They have several options: a compleately new naming culture, which is difficult as manufacutuers gobble up all sorts of daft names "just in case". Bez has already started this, using terms borrowed from Porsche: S for the slightly faster, GT for the hardcore version etc.

Keep it simple, like the 70s and 80s: the V8 engined car is known as the "V8". V12 is just the "V12". Faster versions become the Vantage, convertable becomes Volante, 4 door becomes a new brand entirely (Rapide or even revive the lagonda marque. Again). Racing versions and their road-based ilk become AMR rather then DBR or GT versions. So the Vantage GT4 would become the AMR V8

Go to the 50s/60s with the DB initials and DBR for racing derived models. Or as the current boss is Ulrich Bez who loves himself a bit too much, call them the UB1, UB2, UB3 etc, Faster versions are known as the schnell, convertable known as the zehrluft.

Or pre-war. The standard car is known as the Mark II, or simply based on engine sive, eg "six litre". Offer a range of body styles mainly built in-house. Racing based versions are devoid of chrome and known as "Ulster". As they share the same platform, refer to them as simply "long chassis" or "short chassis"

See? Its very difficult to decide where to go next.

TomN94

2,401 posts

159 months

Friday 14th September 2012
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I had a go in a Virage.


I was bored.


Good, I say.

whoami

13,151 posts

241 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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TomN94 said:
I had a go in a Virage.


I was bored.


Good, I say.
It was good that you were bored?

tomoleeds

770 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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0a said:
Porsche, Audi and BMW make cars that look identical and ugly, and they are lauded by PH. Aston make beautiful cars - with the Virage possibly the most beautiful, and they are criticised for it.
what so a 1 series looks like a 5 series,or a 3 series looks like a 7 series,a x5 looks like 6 series ,they all look different,as does a Audi A3/A4/A5,Q7,then RS/A1,i love Aston Martins but i cant tell one model from another

Zad

12,704 posts

237 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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sinbaddio said:
Aston Martin Van? They could do a deal with Ford, rebadge the Transit, stick some leather in it and charge £90k! biggrin
Already happening, the new Ford Tourneo (aka Transit based taxi) can be had for £38,000.


iluvmercs

7,541 posts

228 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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jmesgotav8 said:
Having just been to the launch of the new vanquish.....
Lancaster in Cambridge? Snap! wink

It's a shame the model wasn't called the DB9 from the outset, or even AM dropping the DB9 in favour of the Virage. It's a cracking car - a huge step up from the early DB9.
Incidentally, speculation of the Virage being dropped was doing the rounds a couple of weeks ago.
My Dad recently phoned a dealer about a Volante, mentioning the car being dropped. The saleman knew of the Virage's fate, but was genuinely suprised my Dad knew of it.

Darren

Edited by iluvmercs on Saturday 15th September 01:15

Cold Fusion

111 posts

198 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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Virtuallythesameasalltheothers

wormburner

31,608 posts

254 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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anniesdad said:
I think see where you're going with this:

Sentimentally casting back to former glories with no recent success?
Objectively not up-to-scratch, but lovely to look at?
Anachronistic and silly?
Grossly expensive, but justifiable with man-maths and romance?
Nice noise, but not really that quick?

Aston Martin Vulcan. For reasons your accountant/wife (DAO) doesn't understand.

anonymous-user

55 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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wormburner said:
anniesdad said:
I think see where you're going with this:

Sentimentally casting back to former glories with no recent success?
Objectively not up-to-scratch, but lovely to look at?
Anachronistic and silly?
Grossly expensive, but justifiable with man-maths and romance?
Nice noise, but not really that quick?

Aston Martin Vulcan. For reasons your accountant/wife (DAO) doesn't understand.
Vulcans were based at Gaydon and AM is based at Gaydon. I think that's what he's going for.

V41LEY

2,895 posts

239 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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V41LEY - if they ask me nicely !!!

I WISH

874 posts

201 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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Losing the "DB" prefix would be a spectacularly stupid thing to do.

Be like Jaguar dispensing with "XK" ..... or Ferrari using a dog instead of a prancing horse.

What is it with people who can't see when they have something valuable and they are just prepared to throw it away on the whim of some young thrusting "marketing" executive?

Remember the Royal Mail getting perilously close to changing their name to "Consignia"?

Aston are arguably THE historic iconic British car brand. They don't make "supercars" ... they make elegant sporting grand touring "hand made" works of art. Part of their appeal is their provenance and the history that's wrapped up in that. Why would you compromise that?

Can you imagine BMW making a BMW Mondeo or Laguna instead of a 5 series?

I'm lost for any more words ....... if it was April 1st I could understand it!

sperm



Edited by I WISH on Saturday 15th September 13:35

slevin911

646 posts

177 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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Vajazzle.

TomN94

2,401 posts

159 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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whoami said:
It was good that you were bored?
No, good that its being finished.

SR06

749 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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Twoshoe said:
Verysimilartoalltheothers
Superb!

SR06

749 posts

187 months

Saturday 15th September 2012
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Vicky Pollard

MadDog1962

891 posts

163 months

Sunday 16th September 2012
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XJR500bhp said:
0a said:
Porsche, Audi and BMW make cars that look identical and ugly, and they are lauded by PH. Aston make beautiful cars - with the Virage possibly the most beautiful, and they are criticised for it.
Totally agree
It's all a matter of personal taste. I think Astons look OK, but a bit have some rather tacky details. Even if i had that kind of cash i woulde never buy one. I agree most beemers are hideous aesthetically, but there's no arguing that they are generally great to drive. The Porsche sports cars are great, as are most Audi products. But I personally consider the Cayenne and Panamera to be pointless, although others clearly disagree.

Bodo

12,375 posts

267 months

Sunday 16th September 2012
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Vunderbar Vehiqle

Votsit

Vorsprung Durch Bez


v8250

2,724 posts

212 months

Sunday 16th September 2012
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Auxois said:
And the obvious choice would be; Vignette.
Do you know what a Vignette is? So your saying AM need to produce the "Annual Motorway Permit/Window Sticker"??