RE: BMW: don't drive your M5, M6
Discussion
SmartVenom said:
I actually think good on BMW for issuing the recall, not all German manufacturers have been so quick to acknowledge potential causes of engine failure.
Not sure I agree with this. BMW have not exactly covered themselves with glory over the swirl flap problem affecting the diesel engines not to mention issues with turbos and cracked alloys/dangerously worn tyres!will261058 said:
SmartVenom said:
I actually think good on BMW for issuing the recall, not all German manufacturers have been so quick to acknowledge potential causes of engine failure.
Not sure I agree with this. BMW have not exactly covered themselves with glory over the swirl flap problem affecting the diesel engines not to mention issues with turbos and cracked alloys/dangerously worn tyres!ghibbett said:
I would imagine BMW were building a batch of Federal spec cars when the defect was brought to light.
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.
I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action
If you have a look on Bimmerpost an American picking up is car on European Delivery, they fly over, take delivery of their car and drive it across Europe to the port where it is it is shipped from to the US. On this trip the pump failed on his M5 and engine went pop. BMW traced the cause to the fuel pump and hence the recall.
So nothing to do with the supplied giving BMW the heads up at all.
Reardy Mister said:
Swirl flaps, HVA's, cracked alloys, fuel pump recalls, coil pack recalls etc etc And thats just E9x 3 series.
And yet pity those of us have a K-Series because we might get a head gasket failure and that means it must be a really rubbish engine and if Lotus chose to use it then Lotus must be a really rubbish company and their cars must be awful and unreliable. (Except we won't if we look after our cars properly and notice the signs and it really is quite a good engine). Why do BMW have a reputation for good build quality and reliability? Do they just ride on the back of teutonic Mercedes as rivals when they were bombproof?y2blade said:
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Bodhi - went from Alfa Romeos to BMW 2 years ago. Alfas were fun and reliable. My BMW is a rusting nightmare. Alfa did 120k and still had its original steering rack, front wings, wheel bearings, and no electrical gremlins. My 330i can claim none of the above for a lower age and much less miles. These are just the first things that pop into my head, the actual list is much longer. Please feel free to me tell if any of the failures I listed above are wrong or mis-remembered about BMW in the last decade of producing cars, and I will retract the post. But I think you know they aren't
I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and ocnfigurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
As a longtime BM owner, E3, E9 2000CS, 2002, E30 320/325, E34, E39 535/M5 I just don't recognise any of the above. I can only presume you are pretty bad at buying used cars...I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and ocnfigurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Monday 24th September 12:56
Wow, really?
The Jolly Todger said:
Well my BMW did 190,000 miles without any major problems at all before I sold it. That sort of thing helps.
My Mondeo did more than that but no-one assumes they are a paragon of reliability. BMW do seem to be in more than a fair share of engineering woes of late, but they still have a very good reputation, whereas the k-series-bashing thing has always really annoyed me. I'm sure there are k-series that have done 190,000 miles plus by now too!jamespink said:
y2blade said:
LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Bodhi - went from Alfa Romeos to BMW 2 years ago. Alfas were fun and reliable. My BMW is a rusting nightmare. Alfa did 120k and still had its original steering rack, front wings, wheel bearings, and no electrical gremlins. My 330i can claim none of the above for a lower age and much less miles. These are just the first things that pop into my head, the actual list is much longer. Please feel free to me tell if any of the failures I listed above are wrong or mis-remembered about BMW in the last decade of producing cars, and I will retract the post. But I think you know they aren't
I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and ocnfigurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
Wow, really? I try all brands/manufacturers/engine types and ocnfigurations and are a fanboy to none. Rear wheel drive, front wheel drive, piston, rotary, saloon, two seater, Euro Box, Jap Import, I try a bit of everything. My Lotus is built of cheese, but it is from the time of glue and spit. It also didn't sell itself on the back of engineering excellence, like some German trash.
BMWs are (in my ownership experience) rubbish. Rusting, poorly made, very bad aftersales rubbish.
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Monday 24th September 12:56
I know. I am a blimmin' BMW owner... hence I know how bad their products are.
The car featured does look amazing.
Also - JamesPink. I am not making a point about cars that I buy secondhand, I am making a point about BMW being very poorly engineered at late but being marketed as the complete opposite. My list was about very commonly understood and completely acknowledged failings of their recent products.
I then listed MY experiences of MY own BMW, compared to MY experiences of other brands I have owned. That is what forums like this are for!
Swirl flaps, boot floors, cracking alloys, coil packs, terrible car security, Nikasil liners, rusting panels, oil pumps, poor customer service... these have nothing to do with the small world of cars I buy for myself! I like the fact you think it might do though
Going by Bimmerforums regular posts by new owners in tears, I think I bought one of the better ones! Says it all.
I am a blimmin' BMW owner... hence I know how bad their products are. The car featured does look amazing.
Also - JamesPink. I am not making a point about cars that I buy secondhand, I am making a point about BMW being very poorly engineered at late but being marketed as the complete opposite. My list was about very commonly understood and completely acknowledged failings of their recent products.
I then listed MY experiences of MY own BMW, compared to MY experiences of other brands I have owned. That is what forums like this are for!
Swirl flaps, boot floors, cracking alloys, coil packs, terrible car security, Nikasil liners, rusting panels, oil pumps, poor customer service... these have nothing to do with the small world of cars I buy for myself! I like the fact you think it might do though
Going by Bimmerforums regular posts by new owners in tears, I think I bought one of the better ones! Says it all.
Edited by LotusAlfaV6bloke on Monday 24th September 16:00
sharm said:
Grenoble said:
Indeed. Saab used to be very strange for this as well - lots of technical bulletins and recalls in the US that never got implemented in Europe.
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