RE: BMW: don't drive your M5, M6

RE: BMW: don't drive your M5, M6

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IAJO

231 posts

159 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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leon9191 said:
I wonder what engine noises are pumped into the cabin during a catastrophic engine failure on one of these?
adagio for strings of course.

Nedzilla

2,439 posts

175 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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Sounds like a similar thing that affected the early E46 M3's.

TITWONK

530 posts

168 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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leon9191 said:
I wonder what engine noises are pumped into the cabin during a catastrophic engine failure on one of these?
This made me laugh out loud smile

Monty Zoomer

1,459 posts

158 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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cure said:
Strange the oil pump for the us and UK model is different then..
In the UK we get a software upgrade instead.

The broom broom noises through the stereo have been upgraded to "broom broom broom bang!"

laugh

Escort Si-130

3,273 posts

181 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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V12 Migaloo

813 posts

147 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....

Maldini35

2,913 posts

189 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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LuS1fer said:
BMW - the ultimate non-driving machine?
laugh

Not much "JOY" either...

ghibbett

1,901 posts

186 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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HighwayStar said:
ghibbett said:
I would imagine BMW were building a batch of Federal spec cars when the defect was brought to light.

I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.

I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action wink

If you have a look on Bimmerpost an American picking up is car on European Delivery, they fly over, take delivery of their car and drive it across Europe to the port where it is it is shipped from to the US. On this trip the pump failed on his M5 and engine went pop. BMW traced the cause to the fuel pump and hence the recall.
So nothing to do with the supplied giving BMW the heads up at all.
And you're sure of this? I take it you don't work in the automotive industry?!

Maldini35

2,913 posts

189 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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V12 Migaloo said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
Sad but true

HighwayStar

4,293 posts

145 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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ghibbett said:
HighwayStar said:
ghibbett said:
I would imagine BMW were building a batch of Federal spec cars when the defect was brought to light.

I like the way the article says that BMW found it through routine quality inspections; their inspections obviously failed if these vehicles got out of the Plant!! More likely the Supplier realised there was an issue, flagged it to BMW, who then went into 'delivery stop' mode and started working out where all the affected vehicles were. Unfortunately some got out of the Plant, this would have then been raised up to the higher powers that be in conjunction with cost analysis of recall vs effect (and warranty cost) of multiple failures. And there we go: recall.

I imagine there's been a lot of overtime going on in Deutschland regarding this. Would have liked a piece of that action wink

If you have a look on Bimmerpost an American picking up is car on European Delivery, they fly over, take delivery of their car and drive it across Europe to the port where it is it is shipped from to the US. On this trip the pump failed on his M5 and engine went pop. BMW traced the cause to the fuel pump and hence the recall.
So nothing to do with the supplied giving BMW the heads up at all.
And you're sure of this? I take it you don't work in the automotive industry?!
Ooooh cynical aren't we Mr Hibbett... No I work in telecommunications and I don't drive a BMW. Things shouldn't go wrong. But the do. Always have, always will. Then the blame game starts.
Anyway, read for yourself.... I didn't make it up, the guy I question is BarryB, read the whole thing or page 6.
http://f10.m5post.com/forums/showthread.php?t=7481...

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

215 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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V12 Migaloo said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
ALL mainstream automotive manufacturers will design every pence out of a component that they can get away with, same goes for buying too. It's the only way they can stay competitive in today's markets.

Many manufactures have re-calls, no automotive organisation wants them since they tend to be very, very expensive. This BMW recall doesn't surprise me one bit as it's common across the automotive industry.

Coil failures are common btw.

hedges88

640 posts

146 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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V12 Migaloo said:
This doesn't surprise me one bit. BMW have been buying cheap ancillaries and components for years, anyone who bought a petrol engined car will testify to numerous coil, injection and fuel pump failures. You would've thought they had learn't the mistakes from Mercedes, but alas no, Accountants rule, engineers know nothing....
Bang on. Had a 2003 520i Touring with the 2.2L M54 Straight Six. An incredibly reliable and resialliant engine......that could be entirely destroyed by sucking in a simple plastic flap for the DISA valve (Varaiable length intake). DISA failures almost guaranteed.

Makes you wonder how so many VANOS units have gone up the creek whilst Honda VTECS are generally bulletproof!

Awesomly crafted mechanicals with ancillaries from the cheapest source = fail

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

215 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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hedges88 said:
Bang on. Had a 2003 520i Touring with the 2.2L M54 Straight Six. An incredibly reliable and resialliant engine......that could be entirely destroyed by sucking in a simple plastic flap for the DISA valve (Varaiable length intake). DISA failures almost guaranteed.

Makes you wonder how so many VANOS units have gone up the creek whilst Honda VTECS are generally bulletproof!

Awesomly crafted mechanicals with ancillaries from the cheapest source = fail
A) Built in obsolescence. Everyone does it from car designs to phones.
B) VANOS is generally very reliable if oil services are kept up to date. I'm aware of several galactic mileage BMW's that have had no VANOS problems at all.

Remember, it's all about the pennies.

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Monday 24th September 22:12


Edited by BeirutTaxi on Monday 24th September 22:12

LotusAlfaV6bloke

203 posts

193 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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Yep, my pain was with the M54 lump too.

On the subject of VANOS, my seals were ok but the helical gears became noisy/rattley in the end. And no, not because of cheap oil/no oil/ wrong oil.


hedges88

640 posts

146 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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LotusAlfaV6bloke said:
Yep, my pain was with the M54 lump too.

On the subject of VANOS, my seals were ok but the helical gears became noisy/rattley in the end. And no, not because of cheap oil/no oil/ wrong oil.
My pain that made me part with the car was the tranmission limp home light. BMW wanted to charde me hundreds to replace the ATF fluid. You know the transmission fluid that is sealed for eternity and magically lasts forever?

Fire99

9,844 posts

230 months

Monday 24th September 2012
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There's a balance. Obviously you need to make money but (a la Mercedes) if your reputation is based on reliability, you can shoot yourself in the foot by raping your own rep., using substandard build / parts.

BMW is dancing a few degrees over the line of 'acceptable failure', at present.

Bladedancer

1,279 posts

197 months

Tuesday 25th September 2012
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BMW is making more and more mistakes.

Keyfob/alarm thing,
2 liter diesel / swirl flap
HPFP on 335 and 535
this...

not good.

Paulybass

1 posts

147 months

Tuesday 25th September 2012
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Cynically, you've also got the lemon laws in North America, quicker to do recall and change a pump than have engine failures and a raft of buy backs if the cars been off the road too long.

BeirutTaxi

6,631 posts

215 months

Tuesday 25th September 2012
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hedges88 said:
My pain that made me part with the car was the tranmission limp home light. BMW wanted to charde me hundreds to replace the ATF fluid. You know the transmission fluid that is sealed for eternity and magically lasts forever?
It is sort of sealed for life. In the same way I passed a Vauxhall dealer the other day and saw one of their models wearing a banner stating something like "100 000 Miles lifetime warranty!"

The goal is not to have you keeping a car for over 7 years. What's the point in servicing the gearbox when the new replacement model of whatever car is just about to be released anyway for you to buy?

I'm not directing this at BMW, everyone does it and to be honest my experience of BMW is that the build quality is pretty good and far beyond the standard that they actually need to build a car to.

Edited by BeirutTaxi on Tuesday 25th September 09:59

Gatsods

388 posts

169 months

Tuesday 25th September 2012
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morgs_ said:
Are BMW collecting the cars from the customers then?

"I'm just on my way to you to bring my car in for the recall and my engine has blown up.."
First thing I thought!