RE: Europe's most (and least) reliable used cars
Discussion
Darren61 said:
How odd you should post this picture. My R26 Megane passenger side window regulator has just failed. Luckily its a great drive as otherwise I think I would have got shot of it, in terms of reliability and maintenance costs, its beyond a joke!
I hope the new mk3 Megane is much better (is it too new to appear on that list?) cos I'm seriously considering one (265/250 Cup) as my next car 
tomoleeds said:
2002 onward Range Rovers,suffer gearbox failure between 100-125k, disco3 when 3-5 years old suffer gearbox and electronic handbrake problems. both suffer the air compressor failure,set aside £5k if you buy one of these for the repairs.
Only the TD6 Range Rover suffers gearbox failures as it was a GM gearbox that simply wasn't up to the job, the ZF box in the V8 petrol is fine, I think the later 6 speed gearboxes in both the TDV8 and 4.2 Supercharged have been ok too and the 8 speeds as someone else said are a bit new to have got to that kind of mileage.The TD6 though does break and will break the new box in 80-120k after it has been replaced too, it should never have been put in the car.
P.S. not all E Classes are boring, I enjoy mine mainly for the engine and the whole sleeper aspect.
Yes ,thats what i meant the 2002-2005 model, i dont know about the latest model as most are sold through the dealer network,due to the price,as they get older and cheaper and more are private sales we will find out if they have improved
A.J.M said:
He should mean 02-05 models or those with the TD6 engine as they are weak for some reason.
Imo, there are only 2 people who buy after market warrenties, those who like the security of a warrenty as their car gets older, and those who know their car has a known issue, and buy's the best warrenty that will cover said issue when it does appear knowing the cost of buying the warrenty is much cheaper than the repair bill.
I have been in the 2nd group, with warrenty direct funnily enough.
Imo, there are only 2 people who buy after market warrenties, those who like the security of a warrenty as their car gets older, and those who know their car has a known issue, and buy's the best warrenty that will cover said issue when it does appear knowing the cost of buying the warrenty is much cheaper than the repair bill.
I have been in the 2nd group, with warrenty direct funnily enough.
Early Fabia MK1's were a nightmare (I had two). 1.4 8v OHV were almost guaranteed to have headgasket problems, 16v's with piston rings and diesels with turbo's and clutches/flywheels. Water leaks in the rear doors and under the dash. All sorts of electrical gremlins and issues with PAS, Central locking, brake light switches and fly by wire throttles all very commonly reported
The Mk2 is a rehashed MK1 rather than being based on the new Polo/Ibiza so it goes to show that if you keep on ironing the faults out you end up with a decent reliable motor
So early adopters are guinea pigs
The Mk2 is a rehashed MK1 rather than being based on the new Polo/Ibiza so it goes to show that if you keep on ironing the faults out you end up with a decent reliable motor
So early adopters are guinea pigs
MarkRSi said:
I hope the new mk3 Megane is much better (is it too new to appear on that list?) cos I'm seriously considering one (265/250 Cup) as my next car
I think this is my next upgrade. As far as I can tell the mk3 is a much more complete package in terms of build quality and refinement (for Renault that is) and the chassis, engine etc speak for themselves! Get one! andy43 said:
Statistics can produce some very odd results.
Meanwhile I suspect all the Jap (for example) owners are happily covering zillions of miles with no forking out on a warranty and no problems other than wear and tear.
Yep, never seriously considered getting one of these warranties for my 7 year old Legacy, and it has only ever seen the stealers for servicing.Meanwhile I suspect all the Jap (for example) owners are happily covering zillions of miles with no forking out on a warranty and no problems other than wear and tear.
B10 said:
Disco and RR sport share much. The problems on both seem to be suspension related and are similar on both. The Conti is based on a VW Phaeton. So are we talking about the Dresden made cars (sone early examples were made in Germany) or those made at Crewe. Also are the problems related to non-UK sourced components, ie engine etc?
I make these points before some Clasrkson troll talks about Britich cars of the 70s.
I think the way it works is that if there are no problems with a Jag or Bentley then it's Indian/German... If there are problems then it's British.I make these points before some Clasrkson troll talks about Britich cars of the 70s.
Darren61 said:
MarkRSi said:
I hope the new mk3 Megane is much better (is it too new to appear on that list?) cos I'm seriously considering one (265/250 Cup) as my next car
I think this is my next upgrade. As far as I can tell the mk3 is a much more complete package in terms of build quality and refinement (for Renault that is) and the chassis, engine etc speak for themselves! Get one! Still, I have bad (and good) memories of my '97 Clio RSi, and given that even fairly recent models (mk2 Megane) are a bit kak on the build quality front, it's a bit of a worry.
MarkRSi said:
I was pretty much sold on the test drive of the 265 Cup I had a couple of months ago, it's just a matter of time now...
Still, I have bad (and good) memories of my '97 Clio RSi, and given that even fairly recent models (mk2 Megane) are a bit kak on the build quality front, it's a bit of a worry.
To be fair, I think the 4 year guarantee (if you're buying new) is a great incentive in terms of 'fear of french build quality'Still, I have bad (and good) memories of my '97 Clio RSi, and given that even fairly recent models (mk2 Megane) are a bit kak on the build quality front, it's a bit of a worry.
Darren61 said:
How odd you should post this picture. My R26 Megane passenger side window regulator has just failed. Luckily its a great drive as otherwise I think I would have got shot of it, in terms of reliability and maintenance costs, its beyond a joke!
Yeah, mine (the red one) did that, and that's what I was trying to fix on my colleagues. Bloody things. He's finally seen sense and is getting shot!jon- said:
bogie said:
20,000 across all of them is hardly a good statistical sample is it ?
surely 20,000 of each brand or model would give a better idea ...or percentage of each brand under warranty
20,000 people who've chosen to purchase extended warranties too...surely 20,000 of each brand or model would give a better idea ...or percentage of each brand under warranty
If I were in charge I would control the media and advertising only in so much as they would only be allowed to present such information if they showed their full working and that working conformed to regulations set by independent professional bodies. Of course no politicians would ever introduce this as mis-representation is their bread and butter (I've concluded that based on a sample of 2 politicians using the daily mail app on my phone as my information source, reading at least the first sentence of three articles).
Baddie said:
Jimllfixit said:
So the Renault Scenic is 5th MOST reliable, and the Grand Scenic 6th LEAST reliable. Yet one is just an elongated version of the other?!
I suspect these "statistics" have been plucked from someone's arse!
Agreed. Or sample sizes are too small. Or perhaps all modern cars are unreliable.I suspect these "statistics" have been plucked from someone's arse!
When previously offered a warranty they don't appear to cover minor items such as crank sensors but will cover you for a piston smashing to pieces. Not often the later will happen but a £20 crank sensor will leave you stranded requiring recovery.
That won't be logged with this survey.
Quat said:
RRS and Disco news no surprise.
We have three RRS in the office and all are regally in for suspension issues. Mine's been in 4 in two years times and my colleague's has been in 6 times in two years. All under warrantee thank fook. Doesn’t stop people buying them though.
Is it the same part failing each time?We have three RRS in the office and all are regally in for suspension issues. Mine's been in 4 in two years times and my colleague's has been in 6 times in two years. All under warrantee thank fook. Doesn’t stop people buying them though.
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