RE: Paris 2012: all new Clio Renaultsport
Discussion
don logan said:
Who said they were "good enough"?????
They are HORRIBLE on a road car detracting from involvement and make most people look like utter berks when parking!
As for efficiency, great, that`s what F1 is meant to be about but a road car? I want involvement!
If I get to a point where I have £150k to spend on 1 car it will have 3 pedals no matter how quickly or efficiently a PDK/F1/DCT/SST box can shift, not because I think I can shift better or more quickly but because I enjoy doing it!
Fact is, you quite fancy one, I hate the idea of one, so there should be a choice!
because a manual box is involving and fun which a paddle box wont be, dont really care what box a ferrari or mclaren etc have or if it changes gear quicker hot hatches are about fun this box will bore the hell out of you after 5 minsThey are HORRIBLE on a road car detracting from involvement and make most people look like utter berks when parking!
As for efficiency, great, that`s what F1 is meant to be about but a road car? I want involvement!
If I get to a point where I have £150k to spend on 1 car it will have 3 pedals no matter how quickly or efficiently a PDK/F1/DCT/SST box can shift, not because I think I can shift better or more quickly but because I enjoy doing it!
Fact is, you quite fancy one, I hate the idea of one, so there should be a choice!
Looks like everything else on the market? Check.
Heavy luxury leather trim in a hot-hatch which is piling on the pounds anyway? Check
Lovely, characterful NA engine replaced by soleless mini-turbo'd engine? Check.
And all this from the FRENCH?! I can take it from VW but I was always at least half-convinced that the frogs new what they were doing with small cars.
My god, what are today's youth meant to aspire to these days?
(Coming from an ex-306 rallye onwer)
Heavy luxury leather trim in a hot-hatch which is piling on the pounds anyway? Check
Lovely, characterful NA engine replaced by soleless mini-turbo'd engine? Check.
And all this from the FRENCH?! I can take it from VW but I was always at least half-convinced that the frogs new what they were doing with small cars.
My god, what are today's youth meant to aspire to these days?
(Coming from an ex-306 rallye onwer)
jonm01 said:
I dont understand this hatred for paddle shift boxes. If its good enough for a 458 or McLaren or a bloody F1 car then why not on a hot hatch?
Currently have a Megane 250 but I will consider one of these.
Because this one will be cheaper and therefore delayed and therefore crap.Currently have a Megane 250 but I will consider one of these.
well that's that then.Those don't look like Brembo brakes anymore either??!!
TBH it all depends how it drives - my R26R is no looker, but it never fails to put the BIGGEST smile on my face every single time I get a chance to drive it - guess we'll just have to wait for the reviews. Past efforts have been quite good though to be fair.
TBH it all depends how it drives - my R26R is no looker, but it never fails to put the BIGGEST smile on my face every single time I get a chance to drive it - guess we'll just have to wait for the reviews. Past efforts have been quite good though to be fair.
I'm trying to like it until I have driven it although this isn't going well.
It doesn't have any of the things I bought my 172 for. Fizzy NA engine (I understand why that's gone but still a shame), low weight, "proper" gearbox and no frills. Just an engine with a box around it that handles properly. I'd like to have a go in one though to see for myself.
It doesn't have any of the things I bought my 172 for. Fizzy NA engine (I understand why that's gone but still a shame), low weight, "proper" gearbox and no frills. Just an engine with a box around it that handles properly. I'd like to have a go in one though to see for myself.
don logan said:
Who said they were "good enough"?????
They are HORRIBLE on a road car detracting from involvement and make most people look like utter berks when parking!
As for efficiency, great, that`s what F1 is meant to be about but a road car? I want involvement!
If I get to a point where I have £150k to spend on 1 car it will have 3 pedals no matter how quickly or efficiently a PDK/F1/DCT/SST box can shift, not because I think I can shift better or more quickly but because I enjoy doing it!
Fact is, you quite fancy one, I hate the idea of one, so there should be a choice!
Well said Don They are HORRIBLE on a road car detracting from involvement and make most people look like utter berks when parking!
As for efficiency, great, that`s what F1 is meant to be about but a road car? I want involvement!
If I get to a point where I have £150k to spend on 1 car it will have 3 pedals no matter how quickly or efficiently a PDK/F1/DCT/SST box can shift, not because I think I can shift better or more quickly but because I enjoy doing it!
Fact is, you quite fancy one, I hate the idea of one, so there should be a choice!
Thing is we don't actually represent the overall buying population. People now think, sorry they actually know, that a double clutch box is far better(why would they be fitting them to 75% of new Porsches) and they aspire to own a car with one on, the same way as they aspire to have an Iphone 5 asap.
The fact that this deprives a minority of manual box fans has become irrelevant.
Or maybe not. The new 2013 MCS might still be a manual ? And I'd say the Clio now looks almost as ridiculous as a MINI.
The fact that this deprives a minority of manual box fans has become irrelevant.
Or maybe not. The new 2013 MCS might still be a manual ? And I'd say the Clio now looks almost as ridiculous as a MINI.
Lack of manual kills it for me. The fake engine noise is a double blow to the head just to make sure.
With the skoda Fabian vRS and polo gti being auto only, what other options are there?
I've always owned hot hatches from the next size up, but these cars are becoming that size! I'd love a WRC inspired hot hatch with big arches and a MANUAL gearbox, but despite the current WRC cars looking s
t hot if a bit wakey, you can't buy one anything close!
fking bizarre IMO.
With the skoda Fabian vRS and polo gti being auto only, what other options are there?
I've always owned hot hatches from the next size up, but these cars are becoming that size! I'd love a WRC inspired hot hatch with big arches and a MANUAL gearbox, but despite the current WRC cars looking s
t hot if a bit wakey, you can't buy one anything close!f
king bizarre IMO.clarki said:
Those don't look like Brembo brakes anymore either??!!
TBH it all depends how it drives - my R26R is no looker, but it never fails to put the BIGGEST smile on my face every single time I get a chance to drive it - guess we'll just have to wait for the reviews. Past efforts have been quite good though to be fair.
clarki your .r looks ten times better imo m8 TBH it all depends how it drives - my R26R is no looker, but it never fails to put the BIGGEST smile on my face every single time I get a chance to drive it - guess we'll just have to wait for the reviews. Past efforts have been quite good though to be fair.
Hmmm.
I'll be sticking with my current 200 for a while, could even become a future classic (last of a dying breed and all that).
Looks great from the front but a bit grim/Seat from the back.
Fake engine sounds are bit Fisher price... hopefully this can be turned off. Or even twinned with fake flame effects from the exhaust tips?
I'll be sticking with my current 200 for a while, could even become a future classic (last of a dying breed and all that).
Looks great from the front but a bit grim/Seat from the back.
Fake engine sounds are bit Fisher price... hopefully this can be turned off. Or even twinned with fake flame effects from the exhaust tips?
Emeye said:
Lack of manual kills it for me. The fake engine noise is a double blow to the head just to make sure.
With the skoda Fabian vRS and polo gti being auto only, what other options are there?
I've always owned hot hatches from the next size up, but these cars are becoming that size! I'd love a WRC inspired hot hatch with big arches and a MANUAL gearbox, but despite the current WRC cars looking st hot if a bit wakey, you can't buy one anything close!
fking bizarre IMO.
The m135i is available with manual box With the skoda Fabian vRS and polo gti being auto only, what other options are there?
I've always owned hot hatches from the next size up, but these cars are becoming that size! I'd love a WRC inspired hot hatch with big arches and a MANUAL gearbox, but despite the current WRC cars looking s
t hot if a bit wakey, you can't buy one anything close!f
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