RE: Spotted: Ford Sierra RS500 Cosworth
Discussion
slimtater said:
That's interesting - have many RS200s changed hands recently as the ones I have seen appear to remain unsold? Hard to determine if that is asking price or market forces though.
RS200 on PH for years now at over 100k, not sold. Will never be sold for that kind of money. If it was a Evo rally version then maybe. As Paul is saying, it wont be a million miles away from the RS500 being the most expensive RS road car.slimtater said:
Not wishing to sound picky and using non-internet sourced information, it was 1983 when Stuart Turner briefed his team that they a) needed to build 5000 and then b) create the evolution that would be the basis of the Gp A race car.
Not saying I was there at the time and your version is much funnier!
I'm up on the history too, it's a prerequisite four any serious owner...! I simply paraphrased and embellished the childish discussion that was happening in my head this morning Not saying I was there at the time and your version is much funnier!
I think the guy who is/was selling this car is spot-on with his logic of his car and price. That is after I've read his reply on page 4 or 5 of this topic, despite my initial comments about the advert.
There are many good reasons why I look at forums here and every now and then write on them, but the thing that really bugs me is when people don't know what they are on about, or comment on price when they have no intention of buying (me included sadly).
The guy who is/was selling this car is not appealing to the "I wouldn't pay £xxxxxx for it" person(s) who have commented on here, he is looking at appealing to just the one person who has the money and it is as simple as that. He is testing the market as he says.
I applaud anyone who 'has a go' and if folks think it is too much money then don't buy it.
He (the owner) also made a good point about nobody slated the car. I agree.
Fair play to him.
Alas, there is a risk 'these days' that forums such as this may obviously generate publicity, but may also potentially harm a sale of a rare car, but then again someone thinking of buying this type of car will be looking long term anyway.
I still don't think it wise to say what you have 'turned down' in an ad though, as nobody believes you and it may feel like a ransom demand possibly to a genuine buyer.
The ad is well written, but is aimed at the 'wrong' kind of buyer with that line. Too confident. I would stick to the £75k figure (as I jokingly said originally) as see how you get on.
Good luck genuinely with selling it if that is what you decide to do.
There are many good reasons why I look at forums here and every now and then write on them, but the thing that really bugs me is when people don't know what they are on about, or comment on price when they have no intention of buying (me included sadly).
The guy who is/was selling this car is not appealing to the "I wouldn't pay £xxxxxx for it" person(s) who have commented on here, he is looking at appealing to just the one person who has the money and it is as simple as that. He is testing the market as he says.
I applaud anyone who 'has a go' and if folks think it is too much money then don't buy it.
He (the owner) also made a good point about nobody slated the car. I agree.
Fair play to him.
Alas, there is a risk 'these days' that forums such as this may obviously generate publicity, but may also potentially harm a sale of a rare car, but then again someone thinking of buying this type of car will be looking long term anyway.
I still don't think it wise to say what you have 'turned down' in an ad though, as nobody believes you and it may feel like a ransom demand possibly to a genuine buyer.
The ad is well written, but is aimed at the 'wrong' kind of buyer with that line. Too confident. I would stick to the £75k figure (as I jokingly said originally) as see how you get on.
Good luck genuinely with selling it if that is what you decide to do.
Perhaps there is hope for my present squander then, a 1992 M5 3.8 - its a major project and a big loss based on 2012 values but perhaps a few years under a dust sheet in the dry as well will help.
As is a hand built M Sport car surely it will go up? and it is very capable of winding up.
BlimeyCharlie said:
There are many good reasons why I look at forums here and every now and then write on them, but the thing that really bugs me is when people don't know what they are on about, or comment on price when they have no intention of buying (me included sadly).
The guy who is/was selling this car is not appealing to the "I wouldn't pay £xxxxxx for it" person(s) who have commented on here, he is looking at appealing to just the one person who has the money and it is as simple as that. He is testing the market as he says.
I generally agree with most of your post, but as I said Pistonheads is a Internet motoring magazine, I treat it as a Group of people all with different tastes sitting around a canteen table discussing likes and dislikes. Its meant to be light hearted. Pistonheads pulls a car from the adverts or Members and puts it up for debate, easy as that really The guy who is/was selling this car is not appealing to the "I wouldn't pay £xxxxxx for it" person(s) who have commented on here, he is looking at appealing to just the one person who has the money and it is as simple as that. He is testing the market as he says.
Some will love a certain car, others will hate it and all it stands for 
Its good we all like different things. I wish the Owner well with his sell, weather he gets it or not in these times, only time will tell! Roop said:
blade7 said:
You think your road car compares to a touring car ?,
Not specifically directed at you blade7, but at this thread in general - Some posters could do well to remember that this is Pistonheads, not Meatheads. Provided you don't drive a G-Wiz or an MX-5, you're supposed to be in good hands here. Some of the posts are laughable, especially that bloke who posted a few times earlier who was clearly using thie Internet wthout supervision from his carer for the first time.blade7 said:
Dont mistake me for a hater, like I've already said I nearly bought a 500 in 1990, the owner had it up for £19.5k I think and wouldn't take my £19k offer. Even back then it wasn't easy to find a mint Cos as just about every owner hammered them. I've no regrets about owning a standard 3 door or passing up a 500, and no interest in owning either now. It just amuses me that some posters get very defensive about what the car is worth, why get the handbags out just because someone that has no intention of buying it makes a comment ?. I'm well out of touch with Cosworth tuning now, when I had mine the same guy that did Gravett's BTCC winning car did my cylinder head and I remember reading that Eggenberger were changing the blocks after most WTC rounds due to them cracking. Not to difficult to build a 5/600 bhp dyno queen engine I guess but unless there's a stronger block around today how long will it last.
I have the sister car the gravetts BTCC car ( Mike smiths car ) in my workshop now ,
Your mate must have been a trackstar mechaninc then as the cars were actually built by Dick johnson over in Auss
Edited by RS500 Registrar on Thursday 4th October 13:01
RS500 Registrar said:
I have the sister car the gravetts BTCC car ( Mike smiths car ) in my workshop now ,
Your mate must have been a trackstar mechaninc then as the cars were actually built by Dick johnson over in Auss
Edited by RS500 Registrar on Thursday 4th October 13:01
blade7 said:
Dont mistake me for a hater, like I've already said I nearly bought a 500 in 1990, the owner had it up for £19.5k I think and wouldn't take my £19k offer. Even back then it wasn't easy to find a mint Cos as just about every owner hammered them. I've no regrets about owning a standard 3 door or passing up a 500, and no interest in owning either now. It just amuses me that some posters get very defensive about what the car is worth, why get the handbags out just because someone that has no intention of buying it makes a comment ?. I'm well out of touch with Cosworth tuning now, when I had mine the same guy that did Gravett's BTCC winning car did my cylinder head and I remember reading that Eggenberger were changing the blocks after most WTC rounds due to them cracking. Not to difficult to build a 5/600 bhp dyno queen engine I guess but unless there's a stronger block around today how long will it last.
Not at all, hence the not directed at you disclaimer. The blocks are pretty good I think. Egmo certainly weren't breaking 500 blocks on anything like a regular basis, but saying thst, their motors weren't as powerful as some of the others such as Rouse and DJR. Hard to say with the Mountune motors in the Trakstar cars as Trakstar's key advantage was the Yokohama tyres which were miles better than the Pirellis that Egmo used or the Dunlops that Rouse ran.Roop said:
blade7 said:
Dont mistake me for a hater, like I've already said I nearly bought a 500 in 1990, the owner had it up for £19.5k I think and wouldn't take my £19k offer. Even back then it wasn't easy to find a mint Cos as just about every owner hammered them. I've no regrets about owning a standard 3 door or passing up a 500, and no interest in owning either now. It just amuses me that some posters get very defensive about what the car is worth, why get the handbags out just because someone that has no intention of buying it makes a comment ?. I'm well out of touch with Cosworth tuning now, when I had mine the same guy that did Gravett's BTCC winning car did my cylinder head and I remember reading that Eggenberger were changing the blocks after most WTC rounds due to them cracking. Not to difficult to build a 5/600 bhp dyno queen engine I guess but unless there's a stronger block around today how long will it last.
Not at all, hence the not directed at you disclaimer. The blocks are pretty good I think. Egmo certainly weren't breaking 500 blocks on anything like a regular basis, but saying thst, their motors weren't as powerful as some of the others such as Rouse and DJR. Hard to say with the Mountune motors in the Trakstar cars as Trakstar's key advantage was the Yokohama tyres which were miles better than the Pirellis that Egmo used or the Dunlops that Rouse ran.blade7 said:
Trackstar bought a Johnson car and according to a well placed source the engine was f++ked when it arrived. Do some research on which company built the engines that won the championship, and my "mate" made a very good living fettling heads for some well known engine builders.
I've a fair bit of unofficial knowledge on the Johnson cars that came to the UK, all of which came from the horses mouth and none of which I am about to repeat on an internet forum. Suffice to say, you're bang on the money with that first sentence.As for Paul, he's got vast knowledge on the Gp.A Sierra and as he said, actually has the exact car you're talking about in his workshops right now. I Think he's just misinterpreted what you wrote.
Roop said:
Not at all, hence the not directed at you disclaimer. The blocks are pretty good I think. Egmo certainly weren't breaking 500 blocks on anything like a regular basis, but saying thst, their motors weren't as powerful as some of the others such as Rouse and DJR. Hard to say with the Mountune motors in the Trakstar cars as Trakstar's key advantage was the Yokohama tyres which were miles better than the Pirellis that Egmo used or the Dunlops that Rouse ran.
Now you mention it I remember the yoko's were very good that year, I think Mountune may have had some unofficial factory support. The BMW teams seemed to work together while the Ford guys kept taking points off each other in previous seasons, hence there was only one BTCC title for the Cosworth if I remember correctly.blade7 said:
Now you mention it I remember the yoko's were very good that year, I think Mountune may have had some unofficial factory support. The BMW teams seemed to work together while the Ford guys kept taking points off each other in previous seasons, hence there was only one BTCC title for the Cosworth if I remember correctly.
Yep. That's about right. Not sure about unofficial factory support. Certainly Rouse had this but he was very much running ARE his way. Yes, 1990 for Gravett was the only BTCC outright championship win for the RS500.Roop said:
blade7 said:
Now you mention it I remember the yoko's were very good that year, I think Mountune may have had some unofficial factory support. The BMW teams seemed to work together while the Ford guys kept taking points off each other in previous seasons, hence there was only one BTCC title for the Cosworth if I remember correctly.
Yep. That's about right. Not sure about unofficial factory support. Certainly Rouse had this but he was very much running ARE his way. Yes, 1990 for Gravett was the only BTCC outright championship win for the RS500.. Last bit of nostalgia I watched Johnson at Bathurst and other tracks on T.V and his cars were incredibly fast, that advantage had to eat engines, was it Mike Smith that was putting up a lot of the dosh ?.Edited by blade7 on Thursday 4th October 13:56
blade7 said:
I've got the video of the 1990 season somewhere, I remember Gravett almost crying when Blomqvist spun out of the lead in a 2 driver round . Last bit of nostalgia I watched Johnson at Bathurst and other tracks on T.V and his cars were incredibly fast, that advantage had to eat engines, was it Mike Smith that was putting up a lot of the dosh ?.
Same here, loads of old tapes and DVDs. Trakstar was set up by Gravett and Smith specifically to run the two redbacks from DJR.. Last bit of nostalgia I watched Johnson at Bathurst and other tracks on T.V and his cars were incredibly fast, that advantage had to eat engines, was it Mike Smith that was putting up a lot of the dosh ?.Edited by blade7 on Thursday 4th October 13:56
Have a look at the 92 top ten shootout. great mix of Sierras, M3, V8s and GTRs...
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=g7foAnkHVPA&fe...
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