RE: Chris Harris video: Porsche 918 Spyder

[GranCab]

Hellbound said:

OlberJ said:

It's a fair point. Live and work in town. Use the car on electric to get out of town and then switch over and open up the taps.

Cities get cleaner and quieter, sorted.

That's why I love this car. You can quietly slip out of your drive way and get out of town without drawing too much attention to yourself. But more importantly, you're helping to keep all of the cancer causing pollution out of built up areas.

It's sad that people in this day and age STILL don't understand the point of electric vehicles and STILL think it's some sort of eco-nazi plot.

It's purpose is quite simple; IMPROVE AIR QUALITY IN TOWNS AND CITIES.

Buses, trucks, taxis and every other vehicle will have to change.

So ... half a dozen of these running quietly around Chelsea will make a difference to London's air quality ????

[freedman]

OlberJ said:

is it not a spyder RS engine?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a_Fze5Gndeo

Devlopment of, with a different displacement

[Hellbound]

GranCab said:

So ... half a dozen of these running quietly around Chelsea will make a difference to London's air quality ????

No. It would be ridiculous to think that.

Towns and Cities will eventually become zero emission areas. It's not going to happen all at once, of course. I hope people understand that last bit.

[Hellbound]

Dave Hedgehog said:

Hellbound said:

It's purpose is quite simple; TO MOVE POLLUTION TO POWER STATIONS

Buses, trucks, taxis and every other vehicle will have to change.

There probably isn't a single human being alive who doesn't think pollution would be better dealt with at single sites like 'power stations' rather than spread about around a city. Far more favorable than people breathing it in.

Again, all quite obvious.

[Hellbound]

LaurasOtherHalf said:

even without the hippy paint job or martini stripes, I'm not sure I'd call this a Q car!

No, not a Q-car, just not as noticeable as when its V8 is making a noise.

[Harry Flashman]

Chris is right. Ride/commentary videos are boring - like that one. Shame: look forward to the road test. Mr H is at his best when behind the wheel and obviously having lots of fun!

[GranCab]

Hellbound said:

GranCab said:

So ... half a dozen of these running quietly around Chelsea will make a difference to London's air quality ????

No. It would be ridiculous to think that.

Towns and Cities will eventually become zero emission areas. It's not going to happen all at once, of course. I hope people understand that last bit.

It was said tongue in cheek - but the fact is Porsche's direct efforts will make no difference - it will take years of development work by Mercedes, Scania, Iveco, Ford et al to make a difference - with or without Govt. legislation.

[vinnie83]

harryowl said:

Another bloody porsche video... what a surprise.

Oh sorry, one of the most important cars (and most beautiful) of the decade, and all you can say is that?

Idiot.

[Hellbound]

GranCab said:

It was said tongue in cheek - but the fact is Porsche's direct efforts will make no difference - it will take years of development work by Mercedes, Scania, Iveco, Ford et al to make a difference - with or without Govt. legislation.

Yes, that's exactly right. Govt. legislation is why it will happen.

[turboben1078]

Wow, if you all want 1200kg 500bhp versions can I have the spare bits? 500kgs and 200bhp sounds ok!

[sisu]

turboben1078 said:

Wow, if you all want 1200kg 500bhp versions can I have the spare bits? 500kgs and 200bhp sounds ok!

Well this is a 2009 RS Spyder for sale here which is about as close as you will get without hybrid aspect of the 918 package.

[garypotter]

Hellbound said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Hellbound said:

It's purpose is quite simple; TO MOVE POLLUTION TO POWER STATIONS

Buses, trucks, taxis and every other vehicle will have to change.

There probably isn't a single human being alive who doesn't think pollution would be better dealt with at single sites like 'power stations' rather than spread about around a city. Far more favorable than people breathing it in.

Again, all quite obvious.

So driving around the city in a battery/electric powered car will be better for the pollution levels?
How do people recharge their electric battery powered cars? the power stations have to work harder and produce more pollution blah blah blah...
I think Honda have the correct idea with the hydrogen powered car, forget battery/electric as this is a failed idea when talking about the green eco side of the business.

[DrTre]

garypotter said:

So driving around the city in a battery/electric powered car will be better for the pollution levels?
How do people recharge their electric battery powered cars? the power stations have to work harder and produce more pollution blah blah blah...
I think Honda have the correct idea with the hydrogen powered car, forget battery/electric as this is a failed idea when talking about the green eco side of the business.

As pointed out, you shift to a point source of pollution from where you can implement CCS (not currently, but as with all things, including the humble petrol engine, economy of scale and improvement in technology will bring costs down and make it feasible) . Either that or you're deferring the generation of electricity to gas/renewables/nuclear.

There is no particular downside to using electric vehicles in urban areas.

[Dave Hedgehog]

Hellbound said:

Dave Hedgehog said:

Hellbound said:

It's purpose is quite simple; TO MOVE POLLUTION TO POWER STATIONS

Buses, trucks, taxis and every other vehicle will have to change.

There probably isn't a single human being alive who doesn't think pollution would be better dealt with at single sites like 'power stations' rather than spread about around a city. Far more favorable than people breathing it in.

Again, all quite obvious.

except it doesn't stay static, it moves around, if you put a billion tonnes of extra C02 into the air you put a billion tonnes into the air, it does not matter where it comes from

[DrTre]

Dave Hedgehog said:

except it doesn't stay static, it moves around, if you put a billion tonnes of extra C02 into the air you put a billion tonnes into the air, it does not matter where it comes from

Yes it does; CCS, that's the point of it and where better to implement it than at the point of generation?

[GroundEffect]

sisu said:

turboben1078 said:

Wow, if you all want 1200kg 500bhp versions can I have the spare bits? 500kgs and 200bhp sounds ok!

Well this is a 2009 RS Spyder for sale here which is about as close as you will get without hybrid aspect of the 918 package.

Except not at all. The chassis of the 918 is a road-car chassis, not a prototype chassis and the RS Spyder is 750kg, not 1200kg.

[RX7]

garypotter said:

So driving around the city in a battery/electric powered car will be better for the pollution levels?
How do people recharge their electric battery powered cars? the power stations have to work harder and produce more pollution blah blah blah...
I think Honda have the correct idea with the hydrogen powered car, forget battery/electric as this is a failed idea when talking about the green eco side of the business.

+1

Although this example does send a charge through braking also.

Without turning this into a deabte re electric powered vehicles, why is this area now being pursued, diminishing resources (oil) or pollution? Global warming from what i have read is now redundant as the planet is cooling again, when was the last time anyone heard the scare words "global warming" in the press, its now referred to as "climate change", i suppose that industry had to survive somehow, amazing a simple name change seemed to keep them in a job!

I also struggle to think its resources based, as the power plants still need resources to produce electricity, unless we are all going to go solar or wind generated electricity, which so far still isnt viable as no one wants to spoil their view and again the tech still isnt up to par for production.

I am with you Garypotter, i see the future in hyrdogen, its almost inexhaustible, just have to work on its storage, its seems a far more viable option to me!

[BelfastBoy]

Mastodon2 said:

Stunning. And the fact it can do 07:14 with it's huge weight just shows what an incredible job Porsche have done with it.

Nurburgring times are irrelevant - Nissan GTR has a lot less power, weighs something similar, yet laps the 'Ring maybe 10secs slower. You can get one used for probably less that the 918's special paint options!

[anonymous-user]

People seem to be confusing the generation of power with the storage of energy.

What ever you use to store (and transport) your energy (oil, hydrogen, chemical batteries, flywheels, lakes full of water etc) you still need to generate the power initally.

Will our existing oil economy, Mother nature spent several hundred thousands of years doing just that (using photosythesis), effectively storing the suns energy in hydrocarbon molecule chains.

Any "new" source of energy has to be both generated and stored by man, this immediately leads to a significant cost penalty compared to Oil where the generation was effectively done for free millions of years before we even got here!

[hairykrishna]

garypotter said:

So driving around the city in a battery/electric powered car will be better for the pollution levels?
How do people recharge their electric battery powered cars? the power stations have to work harder and produce more pollution blah blah blah...
I think Honda have the correct idea with the hydrogen powered car, forget battery/electric as this is a failed idea when talking about the green eco side of the business.

How are you going to generate the hydrogen? Power stations. Hydrogen powered cars are not fundamentally that different from battery/electric. They have the advantage of quicker fuelling and (potentially) a lighter storage medium but they're going to have to get an order of magnitude cheaper before anyone can realistically start selling them mass market.