Why don't people understand filter lanes?
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I drive the opposite way to the OP every day, and I know the bit you mean. What seems to happen sometimes is people in lane 2 realise there's a queue and just stop half way up the hill, probably half a mile before they need to merge. I guess it's the trying to be polite and not queue jump mentality.
It looks like if half the traffic in lane 1 had used lane 2 and all gradually merged there'd be a smaller queue in both lanes.
I get a similar problem at roundabouts, people going straight on tend to just use the inside lane when it branches to two, even though both are marked in most cases as straight on
It looks like if half the traffic in lane 1 had used lane 2 and all gradually merged there'd be a smaller queue in both lanes.
I get a similar problem at roundabouts, people going straight on tend to just use the inside lane when it branches to two, even though both are marked in most cases as straight on
lyonspride said:
British queueing mentality.
Must be this. I've noticed last time I drove in the UK in a similar situation. Went well to the end of the lane with the obstruction and found people not so willing to let me back in. Nothing major (.de plates and driving a white girly Smart probably helped 
), but defo noticeable.
Judging by the responses, 90% of people are on my side with this one. Now all we need to do is persuade all the non PHers! I was actually on that same road this morning and this time in Lane 1. Someone came up in L2 indicating in so I flashed. The guy seemed that shocked someone had actually let him in he looked stunned and just sat there looking at me. Others around looked confused but he merged in and we all kept moving. Wonder how many traffic jams could be avoided if people weren't such a
holes!
holes!carreauchompeur said:
Disastrous said:
carreauchompeur said:
I can't see why you don't just queue.
You're not meant to. I always use the available space and in a wker-spec M3 it does tend to annoy people a little 
mattshiz said:
You want me to video two different scenarios?
I couldn't really care less what you all think, and i don't really fancy entertaining all you driving prima donna's.
That description fits you better than most. If you're going to post sI couldn't really care less what you all think, and i don't really fancy entertaining all you driving prima donna's.
te you're going to be told you've posted ste I'm afraid. andy-xr said:
I drive the opposite way to the OP every day, and I know the bit you mean. What seems to happen sometimes is people in lane 2 realise there's a queue and just stop half way up the hill, probably half a mile before they need to merge. I guess it's the trying to be polite and not queue jump mentality.
It looks like if half the traffic in lane 1 had used lane 2 and all gradually merged there'd be a smaller queue in both lanes.
I get a similar problem at roundabouts, people going straight on tend to just use the inside lane when it branches to two, even though both are marked in most cases as straight on
There is definitely an element of British culture believing it polite to merge early and where it doesn't inconvenience anyone an this will lead to a general belief that those running right to the end are just a little bit rude. It looks like if half the traffic in lane 1 had used lane 2 and all gradually merged there'd be a smaller queue in both lanes.
I get a similar problem at roundabouts, people going straight on tend to just use the inside lane when it branches to two, even though both are marked in most cases as straight on
If you look at some situations such as peeling off the main motorway onto a long double slip road, as you see on the M25 then it's bloody dangerous to leave it to the last minute.
Also, in situations where a road goes from two to one or three to two but not at a junction, but at speed then, again, it is madness to try and 'zip' together at the end of the lane. Common sense dictates that it is safer to merge calmly well beforehand and it also prevents traffic jams and it doesn't break flow.
But, as society is becoming less and less educated and more an more bitter then there is no harm in spelling out the suggested merge points to help the idiots, whether it is the powerful director in a Merc slamming to the end of a merging motorway lane and nearly causing a crash, or the idiots who choose to politely queue and then try and stop others rightfully traveling further down the road.
8potdave said:
Driving to work (Sheffield) this morning along the a57 there is a dual carriageway which eventually turns into a single carriageway just before you get into the city centre. There is always a huge queue of cars in lane 1 leaving lane 2 empty. I use lane 2 - its perfectly legal, helps with traffic flow and means i dont have to queue. However, people take a disliking to this to the point where it can get dangerous. I've seen motorcyclists almost knocked off, cars being swerved into etc. This morning i had 2 of them trying to force me into oncoming traffic where i admittedly lost my rag and just barged in in the end after putting up with this for 5 minutes. I did all the right things, indicated in at around the 100yd mark and waited for a gap. I refuse to sit in the queue just to keep these morons happy and would have been interested to see what the police would have done if they had seen this, Ive seen police cars doing exactly what i did today!
This sort of behaviour seems to be increasing all over the place, what is wrong with people!! Crap rant i know but lets hear other peoples stories...
Get a camera in your car, if they pull out on you and you hit them, you have evidence against them.This sort of behaviour seems to be increasing all over the place, what is wrong with people!! Crap rant i know but lets hear other peoples stories...
No stopping them, they see it as "Why should he be allowed to jump the queue"
Of course the answer is "He isn't jumping the queue, he's reducing congestion at the back by using all the available road to make progress"
Very annoying, as is people who pull out into lane 2 of a sliproad, dawdle down it at 50 then brake at the bottom of the sliproad before pulling out in front of a lorry at 25mph and nearly causing a pile up!
Driving standards are deteriorating, which is why speed limits are being reduced, to allow for the lowest common denominator!
Digger said:
DonkeyApple said:
It's the same with my private roads in London. They are all marked in red Tarmac and get me past all the queues.
If people started reading the clear as day blue signs it would be ruination.
Great isn't it. It's like your own private lane at times. If people started reading the clear as day blue signs it would be ruination.
I employ the 'shouldn't have to brake' rule for these. If I have to make anyone brake in order to merge, I've been a cock. Likewise if I have to brake to let somebody in, they;ve been a bulb end.
That said, if somebody purposefully closes the gap to prevent merging, they're a. What is the point?
That said, if somebody purposefully closes the gap to prevent merging, they're a
. What is the point?budgie smuggler said:
I employ the 'shouldn't have to brake' rule for these. If I have to make anyone brake in order to merge, I've been a cock. Likewise if I have to brake to let somebody in, they;ve been a bulb end.
That said, if somebody purposefully closes the gap to prevent merging, they're a. What is the point?
Apologies for the thread resurection...That said, if somebody purposefully closes the gap to prevent merging, they're a
. What is the point?This is the rule I go by. However, what can be done about those tossers who think they are the BiB and try to be a rolling road block by positioning themselves in the middle of both lanes?
Yesterday, there happened to be one who had already positioned himself there when I came along, sadly the gap he had left was big enough for me to fit through, this appeared to incense him even more and I then managed to sucessfully merge using the above rule a couple of cars further along.
This morning I was going down the same lane, nobody in front of me when some crazy bird spots me and moves out at the last minute, no way by this time, so duck in the gap behind her she has just created, only for her to pull off the road a few hundred yards into the lane closure, so me ahead of her would not have slowed her journey at all. When she pulled off she is flashing her hazards at me and giving me the bird... Err... Sorry? I just waved and carried on.
So, is it worth reporting them to BiB or as I suspect is the case, your word against theirs, lifes to short, etc.
mattshiz said:
I couldn't really care less what you all think, and i don't really fancy entertaining all you driving prima donna's.
Sounds good. If you could pass the message on to the rest of the Petrolhead_Rich said:
Of course the answer is "He isn't jumping the queue, he's reducing congestion at the back by using all the available road to make progress"
Unless the fact of him "pushing in" at the front somehow increases the number of cars going through the pinch point per minute, its not reducing congestion, its’ just reducing his waiting time by slightly increasing everyone else’s.Rawwr said:
I think one of the problems is the design of the roads at the merge in point. Instead of Lane 2 finishing, thus giving people in Lane 1 the moral high ground for their blocking, the road should be more of a Y shape with both lanes coming to an end and one new one starting. Then neither lane has the clear priority and the zip effect would hopefully be easier for people to grasp.
Liokault said:
Unless the fact of him "pushing in" at the front somehow increases the number of cars going through the pinch point per minute, its not reducing congestion, its’ just reducing his waiting time by slightly increasing everyone else’s.
It's not increasing the number of cars going through the pinch point, it is reducing congestion by using all of the available road space, thus reducing the length of the queue and potentially keeping roundabouts and junctions further back down the queue free of stationary cars.Road works on a dual carriage way, a tail back of 100 cars at 10 meters per car, using a single lane is a queue of 0.625 of a mile.
Road works on a dual carriage wat, a tail back of a 100 cars at 10 meters per car, using BOTH lanes is a queue of 0.315 of a mile.
Megaflow said:
Liokault said:
Unless the fact of him "pushing in" at the front somehow increases the number of cars going through the pinch point per minute, its not reducing congestion, its’ just reducing his waiting time by slightly increasing everyone else’s.
It's not increasing the number of cars going through the pinch point, it is reducing congestion by using all of the available road space, thus reducing the length of the queue and potentially keeping roundabouts and junctions further back down the queue free of stationary cars.Road works on a dual carriage way, a tail back of 100 cars at 10 meters per car, using a single lane is a queue of 0.625 of a mile.
Road works on a dual carriage wat, a tail back of a 100 cars at 10 meters per car, using BOTH lanes is a queue of 0.315 of a mile.
The OP going to the front of the line doesn’t reduce congestion. Everyone using utilising two lanes will reduce the overall tail back, but not the wait time.
Unless you need the saved 0.315 of a mile of road for something else, you haven’t gained anything.
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