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AlexRS2782 said:
Saxo West Coast 1.4 with the 1.6 VTR engine:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...
Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:
It is the absolute cheek of admitting on a public forum to evading the requirements of the law and fraudulently obtaining insurance, that I find particularly galling. These crooks think they can do anything they like and break the law daily without consequences. Pity of this is that many of them blthely do just that, as these forums demonstrate weekly. Good posts!http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...
Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:
bellend seller said:
saxo westcoast 1.4 factory vtr replica like a furio. This one has a 1.6 tuned vtr engine in. Group 5 insurance.
If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.
if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)
If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.
if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)
AlexRS2782 said:
Saxo West Coast 1.4 with the 1.6 VTR engine:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...
Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:
Question asked by someone:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...
Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:
bellend seller said:
saxo westcoast 1.4 factory vtr replica like a furio. This one has a 1.6 tuned vtr engine in. Group 5 insurance.
If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.
if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)
If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.
if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)
Q: £200 cash now?
A: Wow u really are tight a ya. dust the cob webbs off ya wallet
Liquid Knight said:
The seller seems to believe that registering the heavily modified car correctly is just a matter or paperwork. Cloud cuckoo land unless the seller agrees to complete this process before the buyer actually accepts the car. Which I doubt will ever happen. Usual advice AVOID this car. Such cars are dead ducks now and all the lads in this game know the truth. Yesterday's rules do not work with serious modifications to cars anymore. Well spotted.GTi'd base spec 106.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/141402648234?nav=SEARCH
I've just spent ten minutes looking for a GTi and the first three I looked at were all base spec 1.1s and Quicksilvers with 1.6 16v conversions.
It's frustrating but I have to admit without reading this thread over the past year or so I'd have been none the wiser to the implications of buying one.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/141402648234?nav=SEARCH
I've just spent ten minutes looking for a GTi and the first three I looked at were all base spec 1.1s and Quicksilvers with 1.6 16v conversions.
It's frustrating but I have to admit without reading this thread over the past year or so I'd have been none the wiser to the implications of buying one.
mgtony said:
AlexRS2782 said:
Saxo West Coast 1.4 with the 1.6 VTR engine:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...
Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:
Question asked by someone:http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/1999-CITROEN-SAXO-WEST-C...
Obviously hasn't declared the engine or told his insurers based on these bits from the advert:
bellend seller said:
saxo westcoast 1.4 factory vtr replica like a furio. This one has a 1.6 tuned vtr engine in. Group 5 insurance.
If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.
if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)
If rozzers pull u its not noticeable the engine change.
if u wish u cud pop the westcoast badges off the doors and refit vtr, vts or even plain saxo ones. I left the standard ones so people think its a 1.4. (cheap insurance and tax)
Q: £200 cash now?
A: Wow u really are tight a ya. dust the cob webbs off ya wallet
king tightwad, you can get a VTS for a grand these days!Copied over from the Badly Modified thread:
mhj said:
s p a c e m a n said:
"The Clio used to have a 1.2l engine.. But I have had a Renault Clio 2.0 182 engine professionally fitted! runnung at over 200bhp and its bin port & polished"DVLA said:
Vehicle make RENAULT
Date of first registration 02 May 2001
Year of manufacture 2001
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1149cc
CO2Emissions 146 g/km
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour GOLD
Date of first registration 02 May 2001
Year of manufacture 2001
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1149cc
CO2Emissions 146 g/km
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour GOLD
Big Fat Fatty said:
GTi'd base spec 106.
http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/141402648234?nav=SEARCH
I've just spent ten minutes looking for a GTi and the first three I looked at were all base spec 1.1s and Quicksilvers with 1.6 16v conversions.
It's frustrating but I have to admit without reading this thread over the past year or so I'd have been none the wiser to the implications of buying one.
Does confirm the benefits of well based information threads like this and this is a good example. Anyone following this thread or dipping in occasionally cannot fail to understand that the days of buying any car and particularly any kit car without scrupulous paperwork and detail on the car have long gone and is running a serious risk of buying a pig in a poke. http://m.ebay.co.uk/itm/141402648234?nav=SEARCH
I've just spent ten minutes looking for a GTi and the first three I looked at were all base spec 1.1s and Quicksilvers with 1.6 16v conversions.
It's frustrating but I have to admit without reading this thread over the past year or so I'd have been none the wiser to the implications of buying one.
Modified cars without full detailed paperwork are very likely to be unregisterable without at least an qualified engineers report directed to the DVLA confirming the quality of the build and full details of the donor car and donated mechanics at best. In many cases very possibly not without full IVA. Not a cheap process and with much of the nonsence bodges shown on the web this is never going to happen. Then there is the insurance question. There are firms that will cover such vehicles but the premiums will reflect the modification. Heavily modified cars do not attract lw insurance. Just changing the wheels and tyres can bump the premium in itself
Such modified cars are are dead ducks now IMO. I used to buy kit cars unseen quite regularly. As yet I have never had a problem. However through my contacts with kit car builders I have realised the risks that were being taken with buying cars unseen were changing and no longer worth the candle.i stopped that practice for that reason.
In truth many of these supposed barn finds and other descriptive nonsenses are the lads in that game trying it on to see if a punter falls for the nonsense and they can make a quick profit. Which is who so many do the rounds and reappear. Those days are long gone and every buyer really does need to be cautious and careful in considering any such purchases.
mgtony said:
Question asked by someone:
Q: £200 cash now?
A: Wow u really are tight a ya. dust the cob webbs off ya wallet
I love the final push for a sale Q: £200 cash now?
A: Wow u really are tight a ya. dust the cob webbs off ya wallet
jus drove windsor Legoland and back a 250 mile round trip from empty to empty inc the 250 mile trip 35quid fuel done 295 miles with 2 adults 2 children in car av 80mph
I don't understand all the hand wringing about this. Having consulted the Gov.uk guidance on this it appears fairly straightforward.
Firstly this paragraph:
'Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:
wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.'
So engine capacity is not mentioned at all. It falls into the former category of a reportable change to a car that doesn't trigger a requirement for an IVA test.
And there's a requirement for providing evidence:
'Engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You’ll need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)'
Any of those things are fairly easy to get hold of. Generally speaking any way. Most MOT stations would write a letter, after performing a short inspection. Apart from that it's a matter of filling in a few forms.
That is based on the assumption of using a previously registered car, which retains its original identity.
Firstly this paragraph:
'Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:
wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.'
So engine capacity is not mentioned at all. It falls into the former category of a reportable change to a car that doesn't trigger a requirement for an IVA test.
And there's a requirement for providing evidence:
'Engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You’ll need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)'
Any of those things are fairly easy to get hold of. Generally speaking any way. Most MOT stations would write a letter, after performing a short inspection. Apart from that it's a matter of filling in a few forms.
That is based on the assumption of using a previously registered car, which retains its original identity.
Red Firecracker said:
Indeed. Always preferred the Orion to the Escort and that one does look pretty good. I cannot believe that there are still people posting here on PH taking such liberties.AlexRS2782 said:
Copied over from the Badly Modified thread:
Tiny brakes and massive spacers?mhj said:
s p a c e m a n said:
"The Clio used to have a 1.2l engine.. But I have had a Renault Clio 2.0 182 engine professionally fitted! runnung at over 200bhp and its bin port & polished"DVLA said:
Vehicle make RENAULT
Date of first registration 02 May 2001
Year of manufacture 2001
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1149cc
CO2Emissions 146 g/km
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour GOLD
Date of first registration 02 May 2001
Year of manufacture 2001
Cylinder capacity (cc) 1149cc
CO2Emissions 146 g/km
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Tax not due
Vehicle colour GOLD
AlexRS2782 said:
Copied over from the Badly Modified thread:
s p a c e m a n said:
"The Clio used to have a 1.2l engine.. But I have had a Renault Clio 2.0 182 engine professionally fitted! runnung at over 200bhp and its bin port & polished"
eliot said:
AlexRS2782 said:
Copied over from the Badly Modified thread:
s p a c e m a n said:
"The Clio used to have a 1.2l engine.. But I have had a Renault Clio 2.0 182 engine professionally fitted! runnung at over 200bhp and its bin port & polished"https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uja3W-ibifc
MagneticMeerkat said:
I don't understand all the hand wringing about this. Having consulted the Gov.uk guidance on this it appears fairly straightforward.
Firstly this paragraph:
'Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:
wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.'
So engine capacity is not mentioned at all. It falls into the former category of a reportable change to a car that doesn't trigger a requirement for an IVA test.
And there's a requirement for providing evidence:
'Engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You’ll need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)'
Any of those things are fairly easy to get hold of. Generally speaking any way. Most MOT stations would write a letter, after performing a short inspection. Apart from that it's a matter of filling in a few forms.
That is based on the assumption of using a previously registered car, which retains its original identity.
Indeed the DVLA information suggests this is a simple and straightforward process. It isn't in reality and registering four of five kit cars and modified cars a year has repeatedly confirmed the reality to me at some cost. Cars like the one detailed on here would be a real challenge IMO based on my experience of the actual process. Firstly this paragraph:
'Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:
wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.'
So engine capacity is not mentioned at all. It falls into the former category of a reportable change to a car that doesn't trigger a requirement for an IVA test.
And there's a requirement for providing evidence:
'Engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You’ll need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)'
Any of those things are fairly easy to get hold of. Generally speaking any way. Most MOT stations would write a letter, after performing a short inspection. Apart from that it's a matter of filling in a few forms.
That is based on the assumption of using a previously registered car, which retains its original identity.
If you have actually followed this through in real life then I would be interested in to ear your method of simplifying the process. If you are simply reiterating what the DVLA say on their doctrines designed to place the DVLA in the best possible light then I have my doubts. The reality is a lot less simple IME.
MagneticMeerkat said:
I don't understand all the hand wringing about this. Having consulted the Gov.uk guidance on this it appears fairly straightforward.
Firstly this paragraph:
'Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:
wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.'
So engine capacity is not mentioned at all. It falls into the former category of a reportable change to a car that doesn't trigger a requirement for an IVA test.
And there's a requirement for providing evidence:
'Engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You’ll need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)'
Any of those things are fairly easy to get hold of. Generally speaking any way. Most MOT stations would write a letter, after performing a short inspection. Apart from that it's a matter of filling in a few forms.
That is based on the assumption of using a previously registered car, which retains its original identity.
this assumes Firstly this paragraph:
'Your vehicle may have to be inspected after reporting any of the following changes:
wheel plan
body type (DVLA give a body type description based on the vehicle’s external appearance)
vehicle identification number (VIN)
chassis number
frame number for motorbikes
DVLA will tell you if your vehicle needs an inspection.'
So engine capacity is not mentioned at all. It falls into the former category of a reportable change to a car that doesn't trigger a requirement for an IVA test.
And there's a requirement for providing evidence:
'Engine number or cylinder capacity (cc)
You’ll need to provide either:
a receipt for the replacement engine
written evidence from the manufacturer
an inspection report provided for insurance purposes
written confirmation on headed paper from a garage (if the change took place before you bought the vehicle)'
Any of those things are fairly easy to get hold of. Generally speaking any way. Most MOT stations would write a letter, after performing a short inspection. Apart from that it's a matter of filling in a few forms.
That is based on the assumption of using a previously registered car, which retains its original identity.
1. the engine and vehicle are legit and have clearly documented histories
2. the engine swap has been donw to a reasonable standard by a competenent mechnanic using OEM or better parts
DVLA said:
Vehicle details
Vehicle make VAUXHALL
Date of first registration 17 January 2000
Year of manufacture 2000
Cylinder capacity (cc) 973cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour SILVER
Vehicle type approval Not available
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271611592805?clk_rvr_id=700564765992Vehicle make VAUXHALL
Date of first registration 17 January 2000
Year of manufacture 2000
Cylinder capacity (cc) 973cc
CO₂Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour SILVER
Vehicle type approval Not available
You guessed it...
Liquid Knight said:
DVLA said:
Vehicle details
Vehicle make VAUXHALL
Date of first registration 17 January 2000
Year of manufacture 2000
Cylinder capacity (cc) 973cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour SILVER
Vehicle type approval Not available
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/271611592805?clk_rvr_id=700564765992Vehicle make VAUXHALL
Date of first registration 17 January 2000
Year of manufacture 2000
Cylinder capacity (cc) 973cc
CO2Emissions Not available
Fuel type PETROL
Export marker No
Vehicle status Not taxed
Vehicle colour SILVER
Vehicle type approval Not available
You guessed it...
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