RE: You Know You Want To: 964 Turbo
Discussion
MC Bodge said:
I've no idea what sized engine is fitted, but I don't care...
Thats lovely 
964's are my 2nd fave 911 1st being 993
Edit:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OSJHziMi-MM the video that started my love affair with the 911
I think it's a 964? could be 993 thoughEdited by petrolsniffer on Friday 26th October 16:00
Max964T36 said:
I think black was one of the most popular colors, together with yellow
It would seem that the most popular colour in the UK was Midnight Blue, judging by the cars that I have seen for sale over the last couple of years.I think that you would have needed big balls to order one new in Speed Yellow!
I had one of these 3.6 Turbo's in grey and it looked stunning. I think it was only 1 of 6 in grey. It originally cost around £93,000 in 1994. It cost me £40k in June 2000 and I sold it a couple of years later for £38k but now wished I'd kept it! All the Speedline wheels were replaced by Porsche under warranty as they were all showing signs of corrosion where the water had managed to get under the lacquer! Fabulous car although I always think they looked better than they drove! 
Edited by slow_1 on Saturday 27th October 13:06
BlimeyCharlie said:
Good post, but I sold it because basically I was driving too fast in it. I'd had my fun and loved every minute, but I was doing a lot of miles as I used it every day. I never bought it to keep for too long, just had always wanted one.
I was worried about getting into trouble for speeding, not stacking it.
Honestly, the handling was spot-on. If you have to lift-off mid-corner on the road then you are doing something wrong, and that applies to any car. Plenty of normal cars are smashed up due to basic errors, like tanking up to an unfamiliar bend and not really paying attention, or just planting your foot on the throttle with no thought of camber, surface and radius etc.
The engine and weight is in the back, so you can't go driving a 911 like you do any other car with the engine in the front. What you do get is fantastic traction mid bend onwards.
'Slow in-fast out' is slightly misleading, but 'slow' does not mean bags of understeer down to 30mph and then exit 'fast' at 90mph in a cloud of oversteer. Brake in a straight line, take up the throttle partially to 'settle' the car and apply more throttle as you go through the bend.
It is simply not going to work driving it like a 'normal' fast car. Same with the Audi Quattros when they started rallying in the early 80's-they had to be driven completely differently to any other car due to the layout and weight etc.
You also have a car with a turbo, so again you must remember this when you do decide you can open the throttle to a good degree.
It is like any high performance car and no different. Learn how is works, respect it, do not be intimidated by it though, and enjoy it.
At the end of the day I'm aware that a lot of cars back then could keep up with it, and more could now, even go faster over normal roads, but they are not driving a 911 turbo. There is pleasure to be had just looking at it. When I'd open the garage door and see it there it was an event every time.
Mr Harris has painted a 'blunt instrument' picture of the example he drove. I have to say that it is a myth about the handling as far as I could tell, but I did not approach it expecting it to drive like any other car, so forgot how I drove other cars previously. I'm not suggesting Herr Harris is wrong, or am I? Maybe I am? But he is employed to write features that invite debate. Long may it continue.
I sold mine for a modest profit, even allowing for tyres etc, and bought a 1994 1.1 Fiesta. I'd had it 2-3 weeks and got busted for speeding on a dual-carrigeway (downhill) by an unmarked car. So my feeling about the law of averages was correct!
I really enjoyed reading this post. I appreciated how you explained what the slow in-fast out means to you. I was worried about getting into trouble for speeding, not stacking it.
Honestly, the handling was spot-on. If you have to lift-off mid-corner on the road then you are doing something wrong, and that applies to any car. Plenty of normal cars are smashed up due to basic errors, like tanking up to an unfamiliar bend and not really paying attention, or just planting your foot on the throttle with no thought of camber, surface and radius etc.
The engine and weight is in the back, so you can't go driving a 911 like you do any other car with the engine in the front. What you do get is fantastic traction mid bend onwards.
'Slow in-fast out' is slightly misleading, but 'slow' does not mean bags of understeer down to 30mph and then exit 'fast' at 90mph in a cloud of oversteer. Brake in a straight line, take up the throttle partially to 'settle' the car and apply more throttle as you go through the bend.
It is simply not going to work driving it like a 'normal' fast car. Same with the Audi Quattros when they started rallying in the early 80's-they had to be driven completely differently to any other car due to the layout and weight etc.
You also have a car with a turbo, so again you must remember this when you do decide you can open the throttle to a good degree.
It is like any high performance car and no different. Learn how is works, respect it, do not be intimidated by it though, and enjoy it.
At the end of the day I'm aware that a lot of cars back then could keep up with it, and more could now, even go faster over normal roads, but they are not driving a 911 turbo. There is pleasure to be had just looking at it. When I'd open the garage door and see it there it was an event every time.
Mr Harris has painted a 'blunt instrument' picture of the example he drove. I have to say that it is a myth about the handling as far as I could tell, but I did not approach it expecting it to drive like any other car, so forgot how I drove other cars previously. I'm not suggesting Herr Harris is wrong, or am I? Maybe I am? But he is employed to write features that invite debate. Long may it continue.
I sold mine for a modest profit, even allowing for tyres etc, and bought a 1994 1.1 Fiesta. I'd had it 2-3 weeks and got busted for speeding on a dual-carrigeway (downhill) by an unmarked car. So my feeling about the law of averages was correct!
This post reminded me of my belief that some cars even if they are flawed in some way that if owned for a while you tend to overlook the flaws and learn to appreciate the car's capabilities within its limits--not that you were saying your turbo was flawed.
one of the greatest rides I have had was as a passenger at Goodwood in a friends (^$ Turbo, 91H, LHD he imported it from Germany in a very dark purple/blue colour, at the top of the circuit is a sharpish right hand bend and all I can remeber is him with plenty of opposit lock, back end on the grass and him screaming like a little girl. ps I was laughing thinking he meant to do it.
He pulled into the pits and sat for a very long time being very quiet........
Then 2 months later his good friend bought the met burgandy turbo 4wd - so i think it was a 993 and that blew me away, unbelievable how that car stuck to the road and when I sell my wife and kids that is the car I want, in the same burgundy red metallic.
P.s thanks to everyone sharing the photo's of their own cars so good to see.
He pulled into the pits and sat for a very long time being very quiet........
Then 2 months later his good friend bought the met burgandy turbo 4wd - so i think it was a 993 and that blew me away, unbelievable how that car stuck to the road and when I sell my wife and kids that is the car I want, in the same burgundy red metallic.
P.s thanks to everyone sharing the photo's of their own cars so good to see.
visceral1111 said:
I really enjoyed reading this post. I appreciated how you explained what the slow in-fast out means to you.
This post reminded me of my belief that some cars even if they are flawed in some way that if owned for a while you tend to overlook the flaws and learn to appreciate the car's capabilities within its limits--not that you were saying your turbo was flawed.
Excellent post BlimeyCharlie.This post reminded me of my belief that some cars even if they are flawed in some way that if owned for a while you tend to overlook the flaws and learn to appreciate the car's capabilities within its limits--not that you were saying your turbo was flawed.
Only to add visceral that exploring the limits is all part of the fun of owning a 911. They are very succeptable to geometry and a good set up and decent tyres transforms the car into a formidable weapon. Yes it demands respect and slow in and power out is the key to driving an old school 911 quick. You use the arse end weight and power to nail the back end onto the tarmac and then you can use the traction. I never had a problem with understeer in my car and would revel in unwinding the lock whilst exiting a corner quickly.
Just to add the biggest difference was that the power on the 964 3.6 turbo comes in at around 2800rpm. About a 1000rpm earlier than the 3.3. Whilst owning mine a mate had a black 3.3. The power in the 3.6 was more linear than the 3.3 which would make the missus feel sick. Many years ago with a few mates we tried a 20mph roll on between my stock 3.6, a 3.3 running 1 bar of boost instead of 0.8 and a new 993 turbo. The 3.6 never got beat.
Edited by graemel on Sunday 28th October 21:35
sisu said:
I used to love those wheels, a guy I used to know had some on an 88 Vantage (after a visit to the Ruf factory)Apparently they are super heavy!
Yeah the wheels are hot - but it is the whole car with all the little changes I like and RUF cars are full of these details. The body is smoother than a brazilians neather regions, alloy panels, the useless wing mirrors, the vents in the rear bumper. Some even running the smooth 356 headlight glass instead of the ridged 911 ones. That is before you get onto the guts of it.
The best modifications you don't even notice unless you have a standard car to compare it to and even then you don't pick up on them until the guy points it out. Case in point Singer 911 side mirrors
The best modifications you don't even notice unless you have a standard car to compare it to and even then you don't pick up on them until the guy points it out. Case in point Singer 911 side mirrors
graemel said:
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Just to add the biggest difference was that the power on the 964 3.6 turbo comes in at around 2800rpm. About a 1000rpm earlier than the 3.3.
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Really? Sounds like there was something wrong with the 3.3 then. Power in my unmodified 3.3 will come in at much the same 2800rpm.Just to add the biggest difference was that the power on the 964 3.6 turbo comes in at around 2800rpm. About a 1000rpm earlier than the 3.3.
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These are old cars now. It takes effort to keep them running properly.
Duncan
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