RE: You Know You Want To: 964 Turbo

[don logan]

MC Bodge said:

BlimeyCharlie said:

I had a 1991 3.3 964 turbo....
I had no problem whatsoever with the handling, and I drove it very hard indeed. But I did respect the laws of physics-slow in, fast out, as in any 911, and the lag was not bad either.

.....I enjoyed the car, but was also glad to sell it as I felt the law of averages would catch up with me one day.
Like anything a bit extreme, you have to know what you are doing in it, or learn quickly.

So you didn't have a problem with it so long as you drove it with an eye on its 'features', but sold it because you did think it would bite you one day?

Presumably (although having had no experience of these cars myself) if you hadn't gone slow enough in, it wasn't very forgiving?

Is it the relative lack of weight on the front end that contributes to the apparent understeer at turn-in and the weight on the rear that contributes to the apparent oversteer?

So, is slowing and trail-braking on turn-in, but being aware of the back coming around before getting smoothly onto the gas and respecting a potentially violent turbo shove the way to drive these cars?

Edited by MC Bodge on Thursday 25th October 16:08

I drove mine like a kart on a damp track, no funny business, no liberties!

[JMF894]

365daytonafan said:

Didn't Steve Sutcliffe's attempt to buy and run one of these not end very well for his (or Haymarket's) bank account?

Cool car though.

Yes wasn't it a yellow one?

Jimbo

[FUGatso]

Sifly said:

I bought a 3.3 a few years ago. I love it, and can only recommend one if you fancy a 3.6 but like the idea of having all the looks and 95% of the performance whilst saving around £30k!!

PLUS - most 3.3's came with the Sports Seats where as very few 3.6's did! And they were an absolute MUST when I was searching for the 3.3 as they add so much to the driving experience.

Edited by Sifly on Thursday 25th October 15:40

I had a 3.3 too and took it to my first Le Mans in 1999, still remember blasting through Indy and Arnage with Metallica at full whack! Drove a couple of 3.6's but would struggle to justify the extra cost. IMHO

[k-ink]

I am 99.9% certain there is no such car as a 964 Turbo. As far as I can recall it was named the 965.

Anyway, the upgraded Turbo 2 I had a ride in some years ago was fiersomly quick with a whole mountain of character which does not exist in any modern Porsche. Wonderful machines!

[turbo-ww]

k-ink said:

I am 99.9% certain there is no such car as a 964 Turbo. As far as I can recall it was named the 965.

I believe you will find it was the other way round.

[k-ink]

Happy to be corrected...

[markcoznottz]

anything fast said:

I am sure the Euro spec ones had silver centres on the wheels. The all chrome is very much an American look. I could be wrong but every one of these babies I have ever seen had the silver middles.

The euro cars did have painted silver centres, with polished outers. The 964 turbo s had the centres polished I think. Same size wheels though. Interestingly enough the 'S' used the older 3.3 engine to make 380 bhp as opposed to the 3.6 's 360 bhp. Both cars were on sale at the same time near enough. The ultra rare 3.8 rs used the turbo body shell despite not being turbo'd , and even wider speedline wheels front and rear. The 'S' and 3.8 are almost too rare to drive now, and their price just keeps going up.

[Sifly]

markcoznottz said:

The euro cars did have painted silver centres, with polished outers. The 964 turbo s had the centres polished I think. Same size wheels though. Interestingly enough the 'S' used the older 3.3 engine to make 380 bhp as opposed to the 3.6 's 360 bhp. Both cars were on sale at the same time near enough. The ultra rare 3.8 rs used the turbo body shell despite not being turbo'd , and even wider speedline wheels front and rear. The 'S' and 3.8 are almost too rare to drive now, and their price just keeps going up.

I think the 'all polished' wheel finish was an option on the 3.6, but I believe Porsche would not give any corrosion warranty with them?! For obvious reasons, more cars from overseas and warmer climates seem to have been spec'd with them.

[markcoznottz]

Sifly said:

markcoznottz said:

The euro cars did have painted silver centres, with polished outers. The 964 turbo s had the centres polished I think. Same size wheels though. Interestingly enough the 'S' used the older 3.3 engine to make 380 bhp as opposed to the 3.6 's 360 bhp. Both cars were on sale at the same time near enough. The ultra rare 3.8 rs used the turbo body shell despite not being turbo'd , and even wider speedline wheels front and rear. The 'S' and 3.8 are almost too rare to drive now, and their price just keeps going up.

I think the 'all polished' wheel finish was an option on the 3.6, but I believe Porsche would not give any corrosion warranty with them?! For obvious reasons, more cars from overseas and warmer climates seem to have been spec'd with them.

You probably no more than me!. The polished centre sounds like something the Americans would love!. Those speedlines are the sexiest wheels ever, and possibly the worst design, easily scratched, hate water, and potential air leaks. But from an era when Porsche dared to do it their way.

[don logan]

Sifly said:

markcoznottz said:

The euro cars did have painted silver centres, with polished outers. The 964 turbo s had the centres polished I think. Same size wheels though. Interestingly enough the 'S' used the older 3.3 engine to make 380 bhp as opposed to the 3.6 's 360 bhp. Both cars were on sale at the same time near enough. The ultra rare 3.8 rs used the turbo body shell despite not being turbo'd , and even wider speedline wheels front and rear. The 'S' and 3.8 are almost too rare to drive now, and their price just keeps going up.

I think the 'all polished' wheel finish was an option on the 3.6, but I believe Porsche would not give any corrosion warranty with them?! For obvious reasons, more cars from overseas and warmer climates seem to have been spec'd with them.

Though there was some corrosion already starting on my outer rims I doubt Porsche's choice was based on that, more likely that the more blingy entire polished wheel would have been more popular in the US and places like the UAE than our market!

[Stu R]

Seriously stunning cars, one of my favourite Porsches. Don't think I could stomach paying what a good 3.6 fetches though.

[Leins]

markcoznottz said:

The euro cars did have painted silver centres, with polished outers. The 964 turbo s had the centres polished I think. Same size wheels though. Interestingly enough the 'S' used the older 3.3 engine to make 380 bhp as opposed to the 3.6 's 360 bhp. Both cars were on sale at the same time near enough. The ultra rare 3.8 rs used the turbo body shell despite not being turbo'd , and even wider speedline wheels front and rear. The 'S' and 3.8 are almost too rare to drive now, and their price just keeps going up.

Was there not a 3.6 Turbo S as well in 1994?

[r1ch]

Too much want. Dream car for me.

[Chris Harris]

turbo-ww said:

I believe you will find it was the other way round.

Correct. 965 is not an official designation, nor is it recognised by the factory. Type number 965 was going to be called the 969 and would have sat above the 911 (964) in the model range from 1990. It was deemed too complicated and therefore too expensive to be competitive and canned in 1988.

But, I do find the adopted 965 title for 964 Turbos quite a handy tool......

[Munich]

a bit expensive, but otherwise a big WANT!

[markcoznottz]

Leins said:

markcoznottz said:

The euro cars did have painted silver centres, with polished outers. The 964 turbo s had the centres polished I think. Same size wheels though. Interestingly enough the 'S' used the older 3.3 engine to make 380 bhp as opposed to the 3.6 's 360 bhp. Both cars were on sale at the same time near enough. The ultra rare 3.8 rs used the turbo body shell despite not being turbo'd , and even wider speedline wheels front and rear. The 'S' and 3.8 are almost too rare to drive now, and their price just keeps going up.

Was there not a 3.6 Turbo S as well in 1994?

There might have been a S made just for the American market from memory, which had a sort of 928 semi flatnose front. Wouldn't be surprising if it had the 3.6 motor.

[s m]

don logan said:

M666 EVO said:

Still my all time favourite car. I still think black is better but the styling, the interior and the speed, oh the speed is all so amazing. I want so much...

Am I right in thinking 0-60 in 5.3 seconds? Same as my XJR then :-)

As I remember the 0-60 was MEANT to be 4.8 but trying to launch it meant either terrible stinky clutch slippage or diabolical tramp so 4.8????? I`d like to see that launch! better to look at the 30-130 if those figures are anywhere!

Didn't one of the mags break a driveshaft trying to figure one of these

[Crimp a Length!]

My old 3.3 with 42k miles.
Mint car but not impressive to drive sold to a Swedish (6 yrs ago) guy for a lot less then i'd get today, but hey i was happy at the time.



My old 930 89 5 speed.
Sold that last year for an impressive price.

[Alfanatic]

Murcielago_Boy said:

You are absolutely right. I posted on here a few months ago asking where I could buy one. Then crawled back under my rock when I realised they're over £150,000 now - used to be £60k... (I'm so annoyed).

Oh - and the most aggressive 911 ever is the 964 RS 3.8.

I always felt that the original GT2 (993?), the one with the allen bolts on the wheelarch flares, was the most aggressive looking.

[thepony]

In January 2001 when I was in Upper Sixth Form my friend's dad took me for a ride in his 964 Turbo.

It was then the car with the most bhp I had ever been in and the first ever 911. Took my breath away especially when the Turbos kicked in. I had so much adrenaline and felt such a buzz. I was on my way to a place at Imperial College studying Mechanical Engineering (MEng). I really wanted a BMW M3 (E46).