RE: Facelifted R8 vs 991 Carrera 4

[motor mad]

991 for me.

[sgq89]

both look abit chincey to me, and although the audi looks better, the audi badge has been something to steer clear from for some time now I feel. a combo of those awful LED daytime lights and half of them being sold in white.

I'd walk past them both and buy a Maserati Granturismo, regardless of any performance difference.

[foxhounduk]

Neither. GTR will eat them both at a fraction of the cost. 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. (spare me the 'it's not exotic enough' rhetoric - a GTR has so much swagger and pedigree its oozing it)

[Soovy]

edo said:

Here is mine - if someone could wrap and deliver it before Christmas day that would be great.

Porsche 911 Carrera 4S Coupe

991421 911 Carrera 4S Coupe £ 81,232.00

Exterior Colour N4 Dark Blue Metallic £ 801.00
Interior Colour AZ Black leather interior £ 2,201.00
Exterior 567 Top tinted windscreen £ 77.00
636 ParkAssist (front and rear) £ 639.00
653 Electric glass slide/tilt sunroof £ 1,530.00
748 Electric folding exterior mirrors £ 202.00
P13 Automatically dimming interior and exterior mirrors with integrated rain sensor £ 372.00
XEX Bi-Xenon headlights in black incl.Porsche Dynamic Light System (PDLS)Exclusive £ 878.00
Transmission / Chassis 031 Porsche Dynamic Chassis Control(PDCC) incl. PASM sports chassis (20mm lower)£ 2,744.00
450 Porsche Ceramic Composite Brake(PCCB)£ 5,787.00
X51 Powerkit Carrera S Exclusive £ 9,388.00
Wheels 427 20-inch Carrera Classic wheel £ 728.00
Wheel Accessories 446 Wheel Centres £ 109.00
482 Tyre Pressure monitoring system (TPM) £ 437.00
XRP Wheel spacers, 5mm Exclusive £ 235.00
Interior 342 Heated seats £ 320.00
345 Heated steering wheel £ 182.00
541 Seat ventilation £ 720.00
810 Floor mats £ 121.00
P07 Adaptive sports seats plus, electrical 18 way £ 2,226.00
XSX Guards Red seat belts Exclusive £ 275.00
Interior Leather EEA Leather interior package Exclusive £ 368.00
XHB Leather centre console trim Exclusive £ 162.00
XNG Leather instrument surround Exclusive £ 182.00
XNS Leather steering column casing Exclusive £ 223.00
XSC Porsche crest embossed on head restraints Exclusive £ 138.00
Audio / Communications 619 Mobile phone preparation £ 445.00
676 TV tuner £ 1,044.00
682 Burmester® High-End Surround Sound System £ 2,986.00
P23 Porsche Communication Management (PCM) including navigation module with universal audio interface £ 2,120.00
T93 Porsche Vehicle Tracking System (VTS) £ 1,140.00
UN1 Online Services £ 121.00
Others A01 3rd Year Porsche Assistance £ 169.00
WO5 3rd Year Warranty £ 1,020.00
Total price £ 121,322.00

£121K on a non turbo 911?

Have a word with yourself!!!


You can get an approved 599GTB for that, and have £10k change.

Edited by Soovy on Friday 26th October 14:43

[fastgerman]

Soovy said:

£121K on a non turbo 911?

Have a word with yourself!!!



You can get an approved 599GTB for that, and have £40k change!

So?

[HighwayStar]

991 for me too... I'd want to feel I'd moved up from my TTS, the R8 has the same seats, mirrors, SatNav and other bits and pieces.

Edited by HighwayStar on Friday 26th October 15:42

[sgq89]

foxhounduk said:

Neither. GTR will eat them both at a fraction of the cost. 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. (spare me the 'it's not exotic enough' rhetoric - a GTR has so much swagger and pedigree its oozing it)

Yeah but...its a Nissan. Doesn't matter if it does 0-60 in 1 second, its a Nissan. I don't want a Nissan on my drive.

[JonathanLegard]

You spent £121k and ended up with doom blue?

[MagicalTrevor]

991 2S for me please with some of the trimmings rather than a base R8. The Audi does nothing for me but I love the 991

[raptor600]

sgq89 said:

Yeah but...its a Nissan. Doesn't matter if it does 0-60 in 1 second, its a Nissan. I don't want a Nissan on my drive.

Well...it does matter to anyone that cares about cars.

Maybe not to a willy waving tosser though

[scz4]

Not particularly interested in either, not that I'm in the position to buy anyway. But as much as I dislike the Audi range, I do turn my head when I see or hear a R8, looks like a proper supercar, 911 just doesn't.

Edited by scz4 on Friday 26th October 15:14

[sgq89]

raptor600 said:

sgq89 said:

Yeah but...its a Nissan. Doesn't matter if it does 0-60 in 1 second, its a Nissan. I don't want a Nissan on my drive.

Well...it does matter to anyone that cares about cars.

Maybe not to a willy waving tosser though

A willy waving tosser lol, you prat. if you saw my earlier post, you'd see that actually I wouldn't have any of those 3 cars - a 911, R8 or a GTR, I'd have a Jaguar or a Maserati, does that make me a willy waving tosser?

Sorry that not wanting a Nissan makes me a tosser, I hadn't realised it was a sin that my aspirations are bigger than that.

[BelfastBoy]

foxhounduk said:

Neither. GTR will eat them both at a fraction of the cost. 0-60 in 2.8 seconds. (spare me the 'it's not exotic enough' rhetoric - a GTR has so much swagger and pedigree its oozing it)

Very true. Among car enthusiasts, even if you don't like the GTR, it should still be respected and its performance abilities feared. Sadly, for everyone else, "it's just a Nissan" but then all they'll see is the back end of the GTR as it vanishes off into the middle distance.

Back on topic - I'd take the R8. On the road it looks way better than in photos, and looks far less like a TT then many seem to think. The 911 looks initially like any other 911 - looks are always pure marmite. My problem though is Porsche's design approach - to the uninitiated, the front end of a 911 can easily be mistaken at a quick glance for a Boxster or Cayman. Then an even closer look is necessary to ensure that you're looking at a 911 rather than a Cayman!

As for the comparison, the R8 should be better contrasted with a 911 Turbo surely? Based on previous performance and usability, I imagine the 991 Turbo will blow the doors off pretty much anything when it appears.

[raptor600]

sgq89 said:

raptor600 said:

sgq89 said:

Yeah but...its a Nissan. Doesn't matter if it does 0-60 in 1 second, its a Nissan. I don't want a Nissan on my drive.

Well...it does matter to anyone that cares about cars.

Maybe not to a willy waving tosser though

A willy waving tosser lol, you prat. if you saw my earlier post, you'd see that actually I wouldn't have any of those 3 cars - a 911, R8 or a GTR, I'd have a Jaguar or a Maserati, does that make me a willy waving tosser?

Sorry that not wanting a Nissan makes me a tosser, I hadn't realised it was a sin that my aspirations are bigger than that.

Your sin is having aspirations based on brand image and not the car itself. I bet you have not even driven one...or an R8 or 991...

Edited by raptor600 on Friday 26th October 15:24

[M666 EVO]

911 all day long

Where is the Turbo though?

Attempt the same thing against the V10 then it might be a fair fight

And the 911 Turbo would be the victor there too

Audi are just too drab for me, even the R8 has lost a certain charm it had

Must be something to do with a guy on my FB buying a perfectly good R8 then making it instantly sh*te by adding rubbish wheels, tinted windows and a stupid paint job...

[Bargenosenti]

R8 everytime, closer to 'supercar' credentials not a derivative in an exhaustive model range.

[kambites]

R8 for me - making the 911 4WD completely negates the main point of putting the engine in such a daft place, IMO.

I might take a C2S over either, though and frankly I'd probably take an Evora S over that.

[sgq89]

raptor600 said:

sgq89 said:

raptor600 said:

sgq89 said:

Yeah but...its a Nissan. Doesn't matter if it does 0-60 in 1 second, its a Nissan. I don't want a Nissan on my drive.

Well...it does matter to anyone that cares about cars.

Maybe not to a willy waving tosser though

A willy waving tosser lol, you prat. if you saw my earlier post, you'd see that actually I wouldn't have any of those 3 cars - a 911, R8 or a GTR, I'd have a Jaguar or a Maserati, does that make me a willy waving tosser?

Sorry that not wanting a Nissan makes me a tosser, I hadn't realised it was a sin that my aspirations are bigger than that.

Your sin is having aspirations based on brand image and not the car itself. I bet you have not even driven one.

No, we just come from different angles. Clearly to you a car is all about performance. Personally, for me it isnt. I want a car with high performance yes, but how a car looks or makes me feel is much more important. I'd never drive a Lamborghini or a Zonda because I would feel like an idiot, so no, im not all about "brand image". I purchased a Honda S2000 over a BMW Z4 because it was the better car, which ruins your argument. But if youre spending £60k - £120k on a car, then yes, I'd want something abit more special than a Nissan. a GTR would run rings around a Jaguar XKR....but I'd take the XKR every single day of the week. It's like saying "do you want a Tag Heuer or a Casio?" I'm sorry if this upsets you.

[raptor600]

sgq89 said:

But if youre spending £60k - £120k on a car, then yes, I'd want something abit more special than a Nissan.

So you don't think it's special 'because it's a Nissan'.

So it is totally to do with the brand. As I said - have you even been in or driven one?

[famfarrow]

Porsche all day everyday. All Audi's leave me cold I'm afraid. A BMW equivalent of an R8 would liven things up a bit however!