Discussion
BFG TERRANO said:
It's a farce. Government box ticking game. The margins between the scores are minimal. So many other factors affect co2 figures its laughable. Pressure, tracking, balance, servicing, driver technique, weather the list goes on.
Well yeah, obviously. But none of those things are affected by choice of tyre. So surely you can see the value in determining what effect IS being made by the tyre? (i.e. assuming all else is consistent.)jayfrancis said:
So if I wanted to do some research into buying new tyres, is this information available anywhere other than on a sticker stuck on the tread?
If not, what's the point. How often do you get to see the tyres fitted to your car before they're fitted? If it's a sticker stuck to the tread all that info will be gone after half a mile of driving.
Pointless waste of time and money unless the info is available elsewhere.
It'll be next to the tyres on the website when you order them. See mytyres for example.If not, what's the point. How often do you get to see the tyres fitted to your car before they're fitted? If it's a sticker stuck to the tread all that info will be gone after half a mile of driving.
Pointless waste of time and money unless the info is available elsewhere.
Quentin Wilson on BBC breakfast made me laugh when refering to ditchfinder brands as 'wing wang wong' branded tyres, it's like something your slightly racist nan would say. 
3 categories are not enough to make an informed choice about tyres, however anything that helps the general population buy a better and safer tyre can't be a bad thing.
Someone might have bought the cheapest one previously, but with the new system they might buy the cheapest with good wet braking performace instead. But on the other hand it may give them a false confidence in the wet, and they might be supprised when they end up in a hedge, scratching their heads, "how come I crashed, I have A rated tyres?"
3 categories are not enough to make an informed choice about tyres, however anything that helps the general population buy a better and safer tyre can't be a bad thing.
Someone might have bought the cheapest one previously, but with the new system they might buy the cheapest with good wet braking performace instead. But on the other hand it may give them a false confidence in the wet, and they might be supprised when they end up in a hedge, scratching their heads, "how come I crashed, I have A rated tyres?"
Benny Saltstein said:
The Michelin PEs on my Legacy score an F for efficiency. The Bridgestone RE050s I had previously a G - presumably all grippy "performance" tyres will suffer?
I suspect width has more effect than compound or tread pattern. It looks like each side of each tyre is tested independently and consequently has different results. 
E,A,70 for mine.
Bit weird that they are an E... I think the economy is amazing from them.
I don't think I'd be getting any significantly higher mpg by moving to super-eco tyres... drag from tyres can't be THAT much and indeed varies depending on the car itself and it's basic frictional losses.
Bit silly imo.
Dave
Bit weird that they are an E... I think the economy is amazing from them.
I don't think I'd be getting any significantly higher mpg by moving to super-eco tyres... drag from tyres can't be THAT much and indeed varies depending on the car itself and it's basic frictional losses.
Bit silly imo.
Dave
It's kind of a good idea - but most people still won't take any notice of the labels,
just today, young colleague next to me needs a tyre, phones one place who quote £80 for something decent, doesn't like it, phones 2nd place with remit "cheapest tyre you've got" and they say £50. then tells everyone that the 2nd place were great as they saved him £30 (and that a tyre is a tyre)
just today, young colleague next to me needs a tyre, phones one place who quote £80 for something decent, doesn't like it, phones 2nd place with remit "cheapest tyre you've got" and they say £50. then tells everyone that the 2nd place were great as they saved him £30 (and that a tyre is a tyre)
I'll admit I don't have the most expensive rubber on my car but it's an OEM brand for some manufacturers and comes with decent reviews.
The fact that many are happy sticking tyres on that make LingLongs look premium should be a worry for the rest of us who have to share the road with these people.
The fact that many are happy sticking tyres on that make LingLongs look premium should be a worry for the rest of us who have to share the road with these people.
[Devils Advocate]
Surely it's a misconception that "cheap tyres are dangerous"?
Lets assume we're not talking about the chance they'll explode, and rather just focus on their lower grip vs. premium tyres.
Well surely the answer if you're running on budgets is to slow down, and leave bigger gaps? EVERYONE has less grip when it rains, and we all manage. EVERYONE has less grip when it's icy, and again, most of us manager. So a budget tyre in the dry may be similar to a premium in a wet, and a budget tyre in the wet like a premium one on ice. A budget one on ice will be similar to a premium one on slightly more ice
Of course there's an advantage to having more grip, but I don't think it's necessarily as bad as some on this thread would make out.
[/Devils Advocate]
Surely it's a misconception that "cheap tyres are dangerous"?
Lets assume we're not talking about the chance they'll explode, and rather just focus on their lower grip vs. premium tyres.
Well surely the answer if you're running on budgets is to slow down, and leave bigger gaps? EVERYONE has less grip when it rains, and we all manage. EVERYONE has less grip when it's icy, and again, most of us manager. So a budget tyre in the dry may be similar to a premium in a wet, and a budget tyre in the wet like a premium one on ice. A budget one on ice will be similar to a premium one on slightly more ice
Of course there's an advantage to having more grip, but I don't think it's necessarily as bad as some on this thread would make out.
[/Devils Advocate]
Drop Test b3nxj said:
Thought this was already on all tyres
Tread wear, Traction, Temprature
IIRC
Yes, it's on every tyre - but now a tyre will have a label (somehow) similar to those that new cars and fridges have had for some time (it will have more parameters than just "overall efficiency" though) Tread wear, Traction, Temprature
IIRC
. That's my understanding of it anyway and it seems pointless - like a Kindle, an answer to a question nobody asked but some can justify it.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff