RE: Driven: Camaro 45th Anniversary edition

[Tenko]

Sweeet...... I want one

Its gotta be my next hire car when im in the states...

[jamesson]

Cyrus1971 said:

Looks nice and good value in the US, but that engine has low for power from the displacement. 5 years ago Mercedes were getting 450+ bhp and over 500 Ft lb or torque from the C63 AMG engine.

I don't understand why people have a thing about bhp/litre. Does it matter how big the engine is relative to its power output? It's not underpowered in the slightest and personally I'd rather have an unstressed large displacement engine than something which has been tuned to within an inch of its life.

[Prof Prolapse]

I take it those of you who claim LHD isn't a hindrance to making progress don't do much overtaking then?

[aww999]

That would be my only concern Prof. Given that I get held up every 200ft by a dawdler when I'm driving my wifes 1.6 Focus, I think I would be performing an overtake about once a minute in a 400+bhp car (certainly that was the case in my Supra). That means it needs to be as easy as possible to do so, and you need to make use of every single overtaking chance if you want to minimise frustration. Having to hang back and look up the inside of the leading car is all very well, but I still think you would miss overtaking opportunities you could exploit in a RHD car of equal performance.

[LuS1fer]

Cyrus1971 said:

Looks nice and good value in the US, but that engine has low for power from the displacement. 5 years ago Mercedes were getting 450+ bhp and over 500 Ft lb or torque from the C63 AMG engine.

Yawn....
Remind us what the car cost again?

You can uprate the 6.2 for a fraction of the cost and arrive at the ZR1s 650hp.

Besides which, the Mustang Boss 5.0 V8 produces 444bhp so why is the Merc so crap from it's 6.2 litre V8? See the pointlessness of the point?

Edited by LuS1fer on Friday 2nd November 12:05

[300bhp/ton]

Cyrus1971 said:

Looks nice and good value in the US, but that engine has low for power from the displacement. 5 years ago Mercedes were getting 450+ bhp and over 500 Ft lb or torque from the C63 AMG engine.

Are you really that.....

[300bhp/ton]

aww999 said:

That would be my only concern Prof. Given that I get held up every 200ft by a dawdler when I'm driving my wifes 1.6 Focus, I think I would be performing an overtake about once a minute in a 400+bhp car (certainly that was the case in my Supra). That means it needs to be as easy as possible to do so, and you need to make use of every single overtaking chance if you want to minimise frustration. Having to hang back and look up the inside of the leading car is all very well, but I still think you would miss overtaking opportunities you could exploit in a RHD car of equal performance.

I think this must be more a state of mind as I rarely in any car be it RHD or LHD feel the need to drive like a tit weaving in and out of traffic and overtaking.

[AdeTuono]

swerni said:

Cyrus1971 said:

Looks nice and good value in the US, but that engine has low for power from the displacement. 5 years ago Mercedes were getting 450+ bhp and over 500 Ft lb or torque from the C63 AMG engine.

The LS3 was introduced 4 years ago


The current C63 is 451bhp and 443 lb-ft
The Camaro is 426bhp and 420lb-ft

WOW massive difference



What are the servicing costs on the C63.

Currently the Camaro is coming in at £125 a year

And for the sake of a few hundred pounds would put out the same power as the Merc

I reckon it's well worth having double the number of valves, camshafts, variable valve timing, low-friction coatings and 4x the servicing costs for the extra 25 bhp.

My Camaro? 600bhp; just saying, like....

[jbi]

Isn't the consensus that the mustang is actually the better handling/driving car over this camaro, despite it's live rear axle?

[LuS1fer]

Have we mentioned the £230 pa VEL yet?

[Prof Prolapse]

300bhp/ton said:

aww999 said:

That would be my only concern Prof. Given that I get held up every 200ft by a dawdler when I'm driving my wifes 1.6 Focus, I think I would be performing an overtake about once a minute in a 400+bhp car (certainly that was the case in my Supra). That means it needs to be as easy as possible to do so, and you need to make use of every single overtaking chance if you want to minimise frustration. Having to hang back and look up the inside of the leading car is all very well, but I still think you would miss overtaking opportunities you could exploit in a RHD car of equal performance.

I think this must be more a state of mind as I rarely in any car be it RHD or LHD feel the need to drive like a tit weaving in and out of traffic and overtaking.

Overtaking is not the same as "driving like a tit" or "weaving in and out of traffic", it's a pretty standard part of day to day driving outside of urban areas. The highway code seems to take a somewhat more enlightened view of it at least.

To be fair I doubt you believe this. I think you just enjoy being argumentative and have an irrational defence of what is a factual flaw of driving a LHD car in the UK.

[boardtweet]

swerni said:

How odd

6.2 V8 and all you can think about are the air vents.

After 2 years of ownership, if someone ask me to describe the air vents, I wouldn't have a clue.

Attention to detail mate, must be me ;-)

[RevolveR]

If you import one from USA, then I'm guessing the warranty will be void over here right?

[LuS1fer]

Prof Prolapse said:

To be fair I doubt you believe this. I think you just enjoy being argumentative and have an irrational defence of what is a factual flaw of driving a LHD car in the UK.

Nobody who has one seems to have the problem. A gentle squeeze of the throttle flips you past slower traffic while the RHD underpowered brigade are still working out the maths. I overtake with greater regularity in my LHD V8 than I do in my 2.0 ST.

[Prof Prolapse]

LuS1fer said:

Prof Prolapse said:

To be fair I doubt you believe this. I think you just enjoy being argumentative and have an irrational defence of what is a factual flaw of driving a LHD car in the UK.

Nobody who has one seems to have the problem. A gentle squeeze of the throttle flips you past slower traffic while the RHD underpowered brigade are still working out the maths. I overtake with greater regularity in my LHD V8 than I do in my 2.0 ST.

We'll have to just agree to disagree to the extent to which its a problem then. I'm speaking from experience as well (old man owns a mustang and I've done thousands of miles in Europe with RHD TVR), perhaps driving style compensates to a degree. Who knows.

Regardless, you have reduced visibility for an overtake. It's a statement of fact. That's my point and for me and these cars, based on experience, it's a deal breaker.

They look great though.

[AdeTuono]

RevolveR said:

If you import one from USA, then I'm guessing the warranty will be void over here right?

Not really an issue as far as I'm concerned; over the last six years I've had two Corvettes, a Mustang, an F350, an F250, an F150 and two Camaros. Sum total of breakdowns/failures? A worn U/J and an ARB bush on the 100,000 mile, 8 year-old F350. And the U/J I put down to the stresses of dealing with the hugely increased bhp when using an Edge tuner. (+100 bhp/200 ft/lb for £300; VFM?)

[300bhp/ton]

Prof Prolapse said:

300bhp/ton said:

aww999 said:

That would be my only concern Prof. Given that I get held up every 200ft by a dawdler when I'm driving my wifes 1.6 Focus, I think I would be performing an overtake about once a minute in a 400+bhp car (certainly that was the case in my Supra). That means it needs to be as easy as possible to do so, and you need to make use of every single overtaking chance if you want to minimise frustration. Having to hang back and look up the inside of the leading car is all very well, but I still think you would miss overtaking opportunities you could exploit in a RHD car of equal performance.

I think this must be more a state of mind as I rarely in any car be it RHD or LHD feel the need to drive like a tit weaving in and out of traffic and overtaking.

Overtaking is not the same as "driving like a tit" or "weaving in and out of traffic", it's a pretty standard part of day to day driving outside of urban areas. The highway code seems to take a somewhat more enlightened view of it at least.

To be fair I doubt you believe this. I think you just enjoy being argumentative and have an irrational defence of what is a factual flaw of driving a LHD car in the UK.

Actually I live in a village and I'm currently commuting 72 miles a day, of which only 2 miles is in urban areas. In the past 360 miles I have only needed to overtake twice. Both of which could easily have been done in a LHD vehicle. If you are seriously overtaking all the time then yes I suspect you are either too impatient or driving like a tit. I certainly see plenty examples of both, the white van yesterday, the black BMW the day before. None actually got to their destination any quicker either as I passed by both of them only seconds after they pulled over.

I like a spirited drive as much as the next person but weaving in and out of traffic and constantly overtaking are not part of the daily routine.

[aww999]

300bhp/ton said:

I think this must be more a state of mind as I rarely in any car be it RHD or LHD feel the need to drive like a tit weaving in and out of traffic and overtaking.

Overtaking = driving like a tit? Fine, sit there behind Mrs Miggins all day in your V8 sportscar . . .

[AdeTuono]

swerni said:

You need 600, you great big porker

My Z06................

I'll have you know I've lost 54lbs since you bought the Z06, you dwarf.

[Prof Prolapse]

300bhp/ton said:

Actually I live in a village and I'm currently commuting 72 miles a day, of which only 2 miles is in urban areas. In the past 360 miles I have only needed to overtake twice. Both of which could easily have been done in a LHD vehicle. If you are seriously overtaking all the time then yes I suspect you are either too impatient or driving like a tit. I certainly see plenty examples of both, the white van yesterday, the black BMW the day before. None actually got to their destination any quicker either as I passed by both of them only seconds after they pulled over.

I like a spirited drive as much as the next person but weaving in and out of traffic and constantly overtaking are not part of the daily routine.

I really don't get your point. You have rare circumstances that mean you don't need to overtake. So LHD is not a problem for you, great, enjoy.

The vast majority of people however, are not in this position so may find it somewhat disappointing that they require a greater amount of planning before they can overtake. You say it's not a big deal, I say it is (it's opinion so we have no choice but to agree to disagree).

Also if you carry out each overtake safely, then there's no maximum number before you are "too impatient or driving like a tit".

You can even do it without trying to get to your destination faster, you can do it purely so you can enjoy your drive more. Again I don't believe that makes anybody a tit. I regularly overtake to get past vehicles that obscure my view of the road, or simply because I would rather enjoy the next series of bends unimpeded.

(Also, I've never used the phrase weaving in and out of traffic once).

Edited by Prof Prolapse on Friday 2nd November 15:58