EU law stipulates Digital tyre pressure gauges

EU law stipulates Digital tyre pressure gauges

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SystemParanoia

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14,343 posts

198 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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ahh like that car tax bandings fiasco that devalued thousands of cars in a single swipe of the pen frown

GC8

19,910 posts

190 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Ecurie Ecosse said:
Athlon said:
This all comes from those bloody run flats..
Or the Porsche 928.
They were a nightmare on 928s!

Im sure that this will be a great success, just as seat belt warning and airbag warning lights were before it...

JD

2,777 posts

228 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Seems like rubbish journalism to me.

Minis have a tyre pressure monitoring system, as do all cars with runflats, they require no extra sensors, just a button to reset and a lightbulb on the dash, all through the ABS system that is already fitted to every car.

SystemParanoia

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14,343 posts

198 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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yes but the in tyre system allows the manufacturers to make more money from the fleet buyers and those insist on getting their dealer stamps

Superhoop

4,677 posts

193 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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JD said:
Seems like rubbish journalism to me.

Minis have a tyre pressure monitoring system, as do all cars with runflats, they require no extra sensors, just a button to reset and a lightbulb on the dash, all through the ABS system that is already fitted to every car.
The only problem being, the legislation states that systems must be active, not passive. This means in wheel sensors, not wheels speed monitoring systems - which is ste really, as the passive systems (wheel speed based) require no extra parts and are far more reliable than many of the active systems, especially the valve type sensors, which tend to corrode, become brittle and break when removing the valve caps or valve insert.

Superhoop

4,677 posts

193 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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SystemParanoia said:
yes but the in tyre system allows the manufacturers to make more money from the fleet buyers and those insist on getting their dealer stamps
How is this down to manufacturers? The legislation has been set by the EU

SystemParanoia

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198 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Superhoop said:
How is this down to manufacturers? The legislation has been set by the EU
only said that as i thought the manufacturers would have a choice... now i realise they HAVE to use the crappy active system frown

McSam

6,753 posts

175 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Superhoop said:
JD said:
Seems like rubbish journalism to me.

Minis have a tyre pressure monitoring system, as do all cars with runflats, they require no extra sensors, just a button to reset and a lightbulb on the dash, all through the ABS system that is already fitted to every car.
The only problem being, the legislation states that systems must be active, not passive. This means in wheel sensors, not wheels speed monitoring systems - which is ste really, as the passive systems (wheel speed based) require no extra parts and are far more reliable than many of the active systems, especially the valve type sensors, which tend to corrode, become brittle and break when removing the valve caps or valve insert.
A classic example of the people writing the laws having absolutely no fking clue about the reality of the engineering.

ant leigh

714 posts

143 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Actually I like the tyre pressure sensors on my Megane 265.
The pressure of each tyre is displayed and I can check that the tyres are up to temperature/pressure before I push the car along.

I suspect though that my opinion may change once I have seen the replacement costs smile

shakindog

489 posts

150 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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The great system it is. When its really cold the small amount if water in the threads of the stupid active system expands cracking the outer casing letting the tyre down. Oh it's going to be fun for everybody.
Look at it from the tyre fitters point of view more st to break and fk about with. Can't wait

shakindog

489 posts

150 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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The great system it is. When its really cold the small amount if water in the threads of the stupid active system expands cracking the outer casing letting the tyre down. Oh it's going to be fun for everybody.
Look at it from the tyre fitters point of view more st to break and fk about with. Can't wait

Noesph

1,151 posts

149 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Pretty bad they think only 4% of people keep there tyres at the right pressure. Trouble is they always seem to worry about the lowest common lowest common denominator.

Road safety groups are always banging on about speed, but I reckon the fact that most motorists lack of car maintenance / or just not being arsed to look after there car properly is more dangerous.

SystemParanoia

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14,343 posts

198 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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ive checked my tyre pressures every week for a year... they haven't changed at all!

if they absolutely HAD to meddle.. it would have made more sense to fit a system like the Original Hummer has, that can inflate and deflate its own tyres on the fly. legislate something that will actually change the game, instead of creating the possibility of needless bork frown



Hummer CTIS ( Central Tyre inflation system )

CTIS said:
Another function of the CTIS is to maintain pressure in the tires if there is a slow leak or puncture. In this case, the system controls inflation automatically based on the selected pressure the driver has set.
Edited by SystemParanoia on Thursday 1st November 22:33

Throttle Body

444 posts

173 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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dazren said:
Had these sensors go (batteries died) on an 02 SL500 merc when the car was 7 years old. Total cost to do all four corners at an inde was £470. The sensors were £73.50+vat each. Ridiculous legislating that all cars must have these damned things. All because some people are too stupid to keep an eye on tyre pressures.
Why not just leave them when they stop working? You could then just use an airline from time to time like the rest of us. Or am I missing something?

dazren

22,612 posts

261 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Constant Error messages on the dashboard. Garage didn't know how to totally deactivate the software.

Edited by dazren on Thursday 1st November 23:18

D900SP

458 posts

183 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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All cars sold in the USA have had a TPMS since 2007.
The batteries seem to last about seven years.

In California, any time a vehicle is worked by a repair shop, in other words a work order is produced, the tyre pressures must be checked (California law) and noted on the work order.

It is illegal (Government law) for any repair shop to interfere (turn-off) the warning light or disable the system.

Problem happens if wheels are changed that don't have TPMS onto a car that does:
for example a 997 with 996 wheels and snow tyres.



SystemParanoia

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Thursday 1st November 2012
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Throttle Body said:
Why not just leave them when they stop working? You could then just use an airline from time to time like the rest of us. Or am I missing something?
as of today.. MOT failure frown

Perd Hapley

1,750 posts

173 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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My dad had a car with TPMS, put me off the idea. Would report false flats, lighting up the dash and requiring sensor replacement every time. Fortunately under warranty, but it went through a few of them.

D900SP

458 posts

183 months

Thursday 1st November 2012
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Are you sure your 2002 MB has to have TPMS for the MOT as it is for vehicles first registered on January 1 2012.
Or could you disable it or can an aftermarket system be installed that would have a warning light?

Edited by D900SP on Thursday 1st November 23:42


Edited by D900SP on Thursday 1st November 23:46

kilty2

226 posts

171 months

Friday 2nd November 2012
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Recently had all four tyres replaced on my Passat, TPMS replaced too - only $20 each.

I find it ironic that apparently TPMS is legislated here, but annual checks on vehicle safety are not (at least in Illinois) - I once saw an old pickup truck snap in two in front of our office – due to overloading of scrap metal.

TPMS is actually a good thing (how many people on here check their tyre pressures before a hoon). I always remember my ‘old boy’ checking tyre pressures before a long family outing – but I’ll bet not many of us do now. When my ‘light’ goes on – I know straight away about a leaky valve, or a slow puncture.

Costs will drop, as mentioned previously, because the system is required.