RE: 2013 Nissan GT-R: now even more so
Discussion
swerni said:
They do very little for me.
It's a very capable car but,
If I want a car that drives itself, I'll get a driver.
They dont drive themselves though do they? But if you mean the average housewife can drive it faster than most exotic machinery on the road... great.It's a very capable car but,
If I want a car that drives itself, I'll get a driver.
Its no fun coming second
I do love these GTR's but would never own one. Just not my thing!!/......... but man do i appreciate the ability, science and tech behind them. Some piece of kit that! However.......
I cannot get out of my head the similarity between the GTR and the IPhone. More updates and new releases of the GTR than an Apple mobile phone. Nissan i-GTR.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6......... where will it end?
I cannot get out of my head the similarity between the GTR and the IPhone. More updates and new releases of the GTR than an Apple mobile phone. Nissan i-GTR.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6......... where will it end?
Megaflow said:
130R said:
'm not talking about extended warranty, that's the cost for the first 2 years.
Sorry, are you saying the GT-R only comes with a 12 month warranty and to extend it to 3 years is £6500?
Or you can get a warranty from a top specialist like Litchfield for £1200 a year which is better as it covers their performance mods aswell.
JdmRacer]agnut said:
Same old b0llox...."no soul" blah blah blah...
it's too heavy blah blah blah
BMW M3 - 1680kg
AUDI RS5 - 1715kg
GTR - 1740kg
911 Turbo s - 1670kg
So for the people still on about the weight I think this info closes the arguement and proves that the gtr is in line with its rival and on the looks I think it looks great especially since the facelift and in the flesh it looks so much nicer and it looks pure muscular which is the same as it drives it really is mind blowing fast and that is even compared to some of the skyline gtr's I was in over the years which are all heavily tuned and the gtr I was in was bog standard.
Take off 100kgs for the turbo S and you'll be much closer. it's too heavy blah blah blah
BMW M3 - 1680kg
AUDI RS5 - 1715kg
GTR - 1740kg
911 Turbo s - 1670kg
So for the people still on about the weight I think this info closes the arguement and proves that the gtr is in line with its rival and on the looks I think it looks great especially since the facelift and in the flesh it looks so much nicer and it looks pure muscular which is the same as it drives it really is mind blowing fast and that is even compared to some of the skyline gtr's I was in over the years which are all heavily tuned and the gtr I was in was bog standard.
ZeroH said:
JdmRacer]agnut said:
Same old b0llox...."no soul" blah blah blah...
it's too heavy blah blah blah
BMW M3 - 1680kg
AUDI RS5 - 1715kg
GTR - 1740kg
911 Turbo s - 1670kg
So for the people still on about the weight I think this info closes the arguement and proves that the gtr is in line with its rival and on the looks I think it looks great especially since the facelift and in the flesh it looks so much nicer and it looks pure muscular which is the same as it drives it really is mind blowing fast and that is even compared to some of the skyline gtr's I was in over the years which are all heavily tuned and the gtr I was in was bog standard.
Take off 100kgs for the turbo S and you'll be much closer. it's too heavy blah blah blah
BMW M3 - 1680kg
AUDI RS5 - 1715kg
GTR - 1740kg
911 Turbo s - 1670kg
So for the people still on about the weight I think this info closes the arguement and proves that the gtr is in line with its rival and on the looks I think it looks great especially since the facelift and in the flesh it looks so much nicer and it looks pure muscular which is the same as it drives it really is mind blowing fast and that is even compared to some of the skyline gtr's I was in over the years which are all heavily tuned and the gtr I was in was bog standard.
R8 V10 is 1525kg
GTR is a massive 1750kg
ecain63 said:
I do love these GTR's but would never own one. Just not my thing!!/......... but man do i appreciate the ability, science and tech behind them. Some piece of kit that! However.......
I cannot get out of my head the similarity between the GTR and the IPhone. More updates and new releases of the GTR than an Apple mobile phone. Nissan i-GTR.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6......... where will it end?
Porsche has been doing it for years, still not as capable as the GT-RI cannot get out of my head the similarity between the GTR and the IPhone. More updates and new releases of the GTR than an Apple mobile phone. Nissan i-GTR.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6......... where will it end?
jason61c said:
ecain63 said:
I do love these GTR's but would never own one. Just not my thing!!/......... but man do i appreciate the ability, science and tech behind them. Some piece of kit that! However.......
I cannot get out of my head the similarity between the GTR and the IPhone. More updates and new releases of the GTR than an Apple mobile phone. Nissan i-GTR.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6......... where will it end?
Porsche has been doing it for years, still not as capable as the GT-RI cannot get out of my head the similarity between the GTR and the IPhone. More updates and new releases of the GTR than an Apple mobile phone. Nissan i-GTR.1, 2, 3, 4, 5, 6......... where will it end?
For some time, prior to it's release in the U.S., I've followed the development and reviews of the GT-R. And like many others, I just have a hard time loving it, but I do have infinite respect for the thing.
But I'm coming around to think that it's time to reassess my view and acknowledge that it is simply the new face of a high-performance automobile. Just like a fly-by-wire F16/F/A18 out-fly's an F-4, in part because there is a computer as an intermediary between the pilot and the control surfaces, it is so for the GT-R. And as it's said that the 'feel' of the fly-by-wire aircraft is different, so is the GT-R. It is simply a by-product of the means of implementing these new and superior capabilities.
I love my 997S and have been considering an R8, but I really have to say that paying 50% more for a car that fulfills it's principal mission FAR LESS than this heavy, plasticky Japanese car makes less and less sense. It out-runs a Ferrari - but I'm beginning to question the wisdom of paying an extra $250K for improved steering feel and a classic Italian 'look'. But if you buy a performance car, a sports car, to perform, it really is like no other. Perhaps it is like one other, but $2M for a Veyron being a better GT-R only underscores my argument.
I don't believe that the dealers around here allow test-drives, but if I can try one, I'll buy one.
V
But I'm coming around to think that it's time to reassess my view and acknowledge that it is simply the new face of a high-performance automobile. Just like a fly-by-wire F16/F/A18 out-fly's an F-4, in part because there is a computer as an intermediary between the pilot and the control surfaces, it is so for the GT-R. And as it's said that the 'feel' of the fly-by-wire aircraft is different, so is the GT-R. It is simply a by-product of the means of implementing these new and superior capabilities.
I love my 997S and have been considering an R8, but I really have to say that paying 50% more for a car that fulfills it's principal mission FAR LESS than this heavy, plasticky Japanese car makes less and less sense. It out-runs a Ferrari - but I'm beginning to question the wisdom of paying an extra $250K for improved steering feel and a classic Italian 'look'. But if you buy a performance car, a sports car, to perform, it really is like no other. Perhaps it is like one other, but $2M for a Veyron being a better GT-R only underscores my argument.
I don't believe that the dealers around here allow test-drives, but if I can try one, I'll buy one.
V
130R said:
Nedzilla said:
No,they come with a three year warranty from new then after that it is around £2k a year to extend the nissan warranty.
No it's £6.5k for the first 2 years (after 3 year warranty runs out), not £2k a year. Go ask your Nissan dealer.Apparently that covers wear and tear items too if you take out the warranty as an extension of the manufacturers 3 years, and MOT failure items, and breakdown recovery. Sounds like a good deal, but I have no experience of them as of yet.
I'm coming around to the whole weight thing. Not easily though.
I guess my view NOW is, when the competition has caught up, lets revisit this weight point. For now though, the GTR spanks everything else in its price bracket, and many things well above, into the middle of next week.
Personally, a second hand GTR would be my pick, as I dont fancy the depreciation. But even so, the most you'd lose would only be a few k over a year or two. Unlike the numptys who buy new porkers, who will lose that every MONTH (or fortnight?).
I guess my view NOW is, when the competition has caught up, lets revisit this weight point. For now though, the GTR spanks everything else in its price bracket, and many things well above, into the middle of next week.
Personally, a second hand GTR would be my pick, as I dont fancy the depreciation. But even so, the most you'd lose would only be a few k over a year or two. Unlike the numptys who buy new porkers, who will lose that every MONTH (or fortnight?).
on my 2nd gtr now - a 2012 model which Ive had since march (previously owned many cars mostly porsches)
Ive got free servicing for 3 years- (was thrown in on the deal - worth £600)- it only needs servicing once a year now which is much better.
they dont cost fortunes to run beyond that- after my 3 year warranty is up im getting a lichfield one for a grand a year and will start modding then
I dont believe there is any independent specialist for any marque as good as lichfield- so its another reason to look at the car
Its an awesome car- - aids can be switched off totally- and all the warranty scares from years ago have been proven wrong with nissan honouring virtually every claim I heard about on even modded cars- Its proved to be one of the most reliable robust and tunable supercars out there.
Driving it with aids off is hugely involving- and actually very scary- Race mode traction is the sensible route that just gives you a safety net, but its still very easy to generate huge angles of opposite lock with this on- All 3 R buttons on is still very involving and is what I have set most of the time.
Down sides- not a lot other than needing to get the car checked over (for free) after a track day- thats a pain.
fortunately bromley HPC are my local and they are one of the best-
its also attracts a lot of attention the vast majority good , but not always-
You get let out of junctions way way more often than in a 911- and lots more people make positive comments at the pumps.
I do also miss the manual gearbox of the gt3 but its way better than those horrible PDK things- (imo of course)
It does need some space to enjoy it.. I was in essex the other day - and not having to drive ridiculously fast, I was having a ball on wet 50 mph flowing roads...but when the traffic is awful- its also a nice place to be- interior is no bentley but it has everything and the seats are very good for long journeys..
My feeling is that while I can Ill always have one...to me it makes modern standard porsches seem dull (modern porsches- Id only have a gt / rs model) but that doesn't mean you can't look at anything else..- thats why I was in Essex, visiting Paul Stephens.
Ive got free servicing for 3 years- (was thrown in on the deal - worth £600)- it only needs servicing once a year now which is much better.
they dont cost fortunes to run beyond that- after my 3 year warranty is up im getting a lichfield one for a grand a year and will start modding then
I dont believe there is any independent specialist for any marque as good as lichfield- so its another reason to look at the car
Its an awesome car- - aids can be switched off totally- and all the warranty scares from years ago have been proven wrong with nissan honouring virtually every claim I heard about on even modded cars- Its proved to be one of the most reliable robust and tunable supercars out there.
Driving it with aids off is hugely involving- and actually very scary- Race mode traction is the sensible route that just gives you a safety net, but its still very easy to generate huge angles of opposite lock with this on- All 3 R buttons on is still very involving and is what I have set most of the time.
Down sides- not a lot other than needing to get the car checked over (for free) after a track day- thats a pain.
fortunately bromley HPC are my local and they are one of the best-
its also attracts a lot of attention the vast majority good , but not always-
You get let out of junctions way way more often than in a 911- and lots more people make positive comments at the pumps.
I do also miss the manual gearbox of the gt3 but its way better than those horrible PDK things- (imo of course)
It does need some space to enjoy it.. I was in essex the other day - and not having to drive ridiculously fast, I was having a ball on wet 50 mph flowing roads...but when the traffic is awful- its also a nice place to be- interior is no bentley but it has everything and the seats are very good for long journeys..
My feeling is that while I can Ill always have one...to me it makes modern standard porsches seem dull (modern porsches- Id only have a gt / rs model) but that doesn't mean you can't look at anything else..- thats why I was in Essex, visiting Paul Stephens.
swerni said:
StottyZr said:
swerni said:
If I want a car that drives itself, I'll get a driver.
Didn't expect a silly comment like that from a mod.1, it's a car packed with driver aids that would flatter anybody.
2. I'm not a mod, so I can be as silly as I like
130R said:
Nedzilla said:
No,they come with a three year warranty from new then after that it is around £2k a year to extend the nissan warranty.
No it's £6.5k for the first 2 years (after 3 year warranty runs out), not £2k a year. Go ask your Nissan dealer.I decided to have my 36 month service done at litchfields and as the car was in perfect health and so far hasn't missed a beat I have decided not to bother with extending the warranty.
People tend to get a bit scared about GTR's with no warranty due to scare stories of £15k gearbox replacements.This is because when GTR boxes have developed faults nissan have just replaced the entire box.The fauits which have occured are either broken circlips from launching the car or knackered solenoids.Both these problems can be fixed for around £1500-£2000 which is pretty much the price of the warranty and chances are you will never have to.
As with warrantys with any car it is up to the individual to decide weather they want the peace of mind or do without and lots of things need to be taken into account when deciding this like how hard and how much you use the car and the proven reliability of it.
I am pretty confident with the miles and use that my car does that buying a warranty would be a waste of money,but if this proves me wrong then I will just have to put my hand in my pocket.
Wonderful car 
reminds me of the brilliant days of the Evo 6. I love the japanese styling and though not to everyones tastes, definitely a supercar in most respects and keeps the Porsche, lambo, ferrari etc manufacturers scurrying back to the drawing board every year to improve. As well as causing lots of interesting posts on ph 
For the next facelift pleease ...
1. Reduce the weight. Your schoolboy explanation on why it has to be 1.7t doesn't standup. On the track you definitely notice it, especially when we were trying ( and failing) to pursue a well driven powerful atom or caterham!
2. Better interior. At least improve the leather quality and ps3 like plastic... And while you are at it, use some nice bucket seats. You really do slip around on the track.
3. More pooower! Though the tuners sort this problem out... But over 600 bhp as standard definitely raises the game for everyone!
I look forward to the ring times annoying the big super car boys.....
reminds me of the brilliant days of the Evo 6. I love the japanese styling and though not to everyones tastes, definitely a supercar in most respects and keeps the Porsche, lambo, ferrari etc manufacturers scurrying back to the drawing board every year to improve. As well as causing lots of interesting posts on ph For the next facelift pleease ...
1. Reduce the weight. Your schoolboy explanation on why it has to be 1.7t doesn't standup. On the track you definitely notice it, especially when we were trying ( and failing) to pursue a well driven powerful atom or caterham!
2. Better interior. At least improve the leather quality and ps3 like plastic... And while you are at it, use some nice bucket seats. You really do slip around on the track.
3. More pooower! Though the tuners sort this problem out... But over 600 bhp as standard definitely raises the game for everyone!
I look forward to the ring times annoying the big super car boys.....
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