RE: 2013 Nissan GT-R: now even more so
Discussion
StottyZr said:
Guvernator said:
As for the weight thing, APPARENTLY it's heavy on purpose as it makes it faster. Mizuno says so, so it must be true despite physics and years of motorsport which proves quite the contrary. 
You're effectively trollin with this comment. Stop being obtuse.I love the GT-R but it didn't need all this hokem for Mizuno. I would have respected him a lot more if he had just said "OK it's heavy because we wanted to add some creature comforts\safety features and make it a proper GT car but it can still go fast despite the fact that it weighs 1700kgs, aren't we clever?". Weight IS NOT the same as downforce which is what he is talking about, downforce gives you all the advantages of pushing the car into the ground without the disadvantages, adding weight does not.
Let me pose you a question, in motorsport events like Touring Cars for example, why do they add a weight\ballast penalty to the winning car of the previous round? Here's a hint, it's not to make them faster
They are a clever bunch at Nissan and not afraid of thinking or being a bit different. This, the Deltawing and the Juke-R. Hopefully the 370Z replacement will be something special.
Also, with Nissan and Renault having such a close relationship, it would be good to see more technology transferring both ways.
Also, with Nissan and Renault having such a close relationship, it would be good to see more technology transferring both ways.
The GTR always manages to have such extreme opinions here on PH, why?
Mizuno San developed it & has done a sterling job, congratulations to him & Nissan. They have taken the rule book ripped it up & made a world beater of a car. I am pretty sure the plan was always to tweek it every year, and let it evolve after numerous testing & racing applications well done.
Chris Harris is respected by many here on PH, here's his take on it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8jLbyNloCg
Top gear boys launching it, last 20secs they both want it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTkjbTfSoGE
Yes I have a GTR, came out of a 997 GT3 for one, a drivers car yes Porsche fans, well the GTR is a better car IMO. Better for everyday use, practical, and can do a track day if I wish. Service intervals are once a year and you can buy a 3yr service pack for £599.
Mizuno San developed it & has done a sterling job, congratulations to him & Nissan. They have taken the rule book ripped it up & made a world beater of a car. I am pretty sure the plan was always to tweek it every year, and let it evolve after numerous testing & racing applications well done.
Chris Harris is respected by many here on PH, here's his take on it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=K8jLbyNloCg
Top gear boys launching it, last 20secs they both want it http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=yTkjbTfSoGE
Yes I have a GTR, came out of a 997 GT3 for one, a drivers car yes Porsche fans, well the GTR is a better car IMO. Better for everyday use, practical, and can do a track day if I wish. Service intervals are once a year and you can buy a 3yr service pack for £599.
Edited by RJJ on Friday 2nd November 12:57
Guvernator said:
StottyZr said:
Guvernator said:
As for the weight thing, APPARENTLY it's heavy on purpose as it makes it faster. Mizuno says so, so it must be true despite physics and years of motorsport which proves quite the contrary.
You're effectively trollin with this comment. Stop being obtuse.Because he isn't disagreeing with years of motorsport research and development, he's not disagreeing with physics. He knows that a lighter car will have the ability to go faster when in the correct hands.
Your trolling because you're fully aware that there is more to it than more weight=faster car
Timbola said:
MrTickle said:
That's a fast Sunny 
My thinking exactly.
GT-Rs just look like any other dull Nissan saloon but with spoilers.
None of the grace, poise, elegance, nor beautiful lines of its Italian cousins.
A supercar should look like a supercar, not just go like one.
Did you know that the drag coefficient of a GTR is 0.27 compared to 0.33 of a ferrari 458????
Probably not.
I had the pleasure of a go in one of these with a 'stage 2' Lichfield modification!
It was, well, painfully fast, perhaps too fast??? You simply cannot use it on UK roads for fear of loosing your license and endangering your bottom to some latex intrusion from the old bill when they eventually arrest you...
The problems lies in the fact that the car's party piece is SPEED. But pottering about day to day would, I imagine be a little frustrating. I have always wanted, but since my experience of one, my desire to own has diminished especially as the roads are no so clogged with idiots in scrappage scheme specials and those god awful people carriers...
It was, well, painfully fast, perhaps too fast??? You simply cannot use it on UK roads for fear of loosing your license and endangering your bottom to some latex intrusion from the old bill when they eventually arrest you...
The problems lies in the fact that the car's party piece is SPEED. But pottering about day to day would, I imagine be a little frustrating. I have always wanted, but since my experience of one, my desire to own has diminished especially as the roads are no so clogged with idiots in scrappage scheme specials and those god awful people carriers...
Guvernator said:
what I don't love is the droves of blinkered fanboys who always seem to come out whenever the GT-R is mentioned, most of whom have been no where near one except on a PS3.
In the case of the GTR I think it tends to go the other way - you'll typically get all sorts come out of the woodwork berating it without ever having any experience of it (that's not directed at you by the way, I did note the rest of your comments regarding your opinion of the car )MrTickle said:
jason61c said:
I love it when people call Nissan's Datsuns like its a slur Stick an italian badge on it and pay 100k more, i'm sure it'll fit in at your tennis club then.
Not at all, just some of us are old enough to remember the Datsun as a brand. My neighbour had a Datsun 240Z - I was very envious at the time Stick an italian badge on it and pay 100k more, i'm sure it'll fit in at your tennis club then.Nissan Motor Co. is going to be celebrating its 80th year very soon....
StottyZr said:
Haven't ready anymore of your response.
Because he isn't disagreeing with years of motorsport research and development, he's not disagreeing with physics. He knows that a lighter car will have the ability to go faster when in the correct hands.
Your trolling because you're fully aware that there is more to it than more weight=faster car
Care to clarify what he is saying then because from what I understood, he is saying the following. The GTR was built to a target weight of 1700kgs, we could have made it lighter but we didn't because we wanted to make the car heavy\that exact weight as this helps to push the car into the road to increase grip which makes it faster ergo weight=faster.Because he isn't disagreeing with years of motorsport research and development, he's not disagreeing with physics. He knows that a lighter car will have the ability to go faster when in the correct hands.
Your trolling because you're fully aware that there is more to it than more weight=faster car
I am not an engineer but I am aware of the basic laws of physics, yes you will gain some benefit by pushing the car down into the road (this is why racing cars use downforce) but if you do this buy adding weight, what you gain in one area you loose in many others like braking, weight transfer etc. It's like he is cherry picking the benefits of added weight and using this to justify why the GTR is so heavy without mentioning any of the drawbacks. Again I love the GTR but if he couldn't be honest enough to give a full\complete answer to the question of weight, he shouldn't have bothered coming up with a half-arsed one, a simple it's heavy but we've made the best of it would have been infinitely preferable.
TobesH said:
I had the pleasure of a go in one of these with a 'stage 2' Lichfield modification!
It was, well, painfully fast, perhaps too fast??? You simply cannot use it on UK roads for fear of loosing your license and endangering your bottom to some latex intrusion from the old bill when they eventually arrest you...
The problems lies in the fact that the car's party piece is SPEED. But pottering about day to day would, I imagine be a little frustrating. I have always wanted, but since my experience of one, my desire to own has diminished especially as the roads are no so clogged with idiots in scrappage scheme specials and those god awful people carriers...
Sod it! I still want one though... It was, well, painfully fast, perhaps too fast??? You simply cannot use it on UK roads for fear of loosing your license and endangering your bottom to some latex intrusion from the old bill when they eventually arrest you...
The problems lies in the fact that the car's party piece is SPEED. But pottering about day to day would, I imagine be a little frustrating. I have always wanted, but since my experience of one, my desire to own has diminished especially as the roads are no so clogged with idiots in scrappage scheme specials and those god awful people carriers...
Megaflow said:
Exactly. Apparently it's ok for it to be 1700kg because that is the same as an F1 car, 600kg of car & 1100kg of downforce.
Convienetly ignores factors such as polar moment of interia,, etc.
I can appreciate the GT-R for what it does, bend the laws of pyhsics to breaking point, but as a car it leaves me completely cold. I sat in one at FoS in 2009 and the grade of plastics used for the trim around the array of buttons on the dash was out of place on a £20k hot hatch, it was plain unforgiveable on a £55k sports car. Then theres the size of the thing, not the weight, that is a seperate issue, it's just to big for what is esstentailly a two seater car, to be fun on B roads.
Perhaps they spent the money on the engine, transmission and the rest of it and not the plastics on the dash ?Convienetly ignores factors such as polar moment of interia,, etc.
I can appreciate the GT-R for what it does, bend the laws of pyhsics to breaking point, but as a car it leaves me completely cold. I sat in one at FoS in 2009 and the grade of plastics used for the trim around the array of buttons on the dash was out of place on a £20k hot hatch, it was plain unforgiveable on a £55k sports car. Then theres the size of the thing, not the weight, that is a seperate issue, it's just to big for what is esstentailly a two seater car, to be fun on B roads.
Perhaps they leave Audi to do the inverse and that is why an R8, for similar money woudlnt see which way a GTR went.
The GTR is actually more on a Par with a Mclaren performance wise.
nicfaz said:
Pffff - amateur.
Ha ha very good i like it. Glad to see I am not the only guy who just enjoys reading with very few posts..As for the space thing.. I’m 5,8 my wife is 5,5 (without heels) and my twins are 8 months old, we all fit in fine, double pram in the back, etc etc etc..
PZR said:
MrTickle said:
jason61c said:
I love it when people call Nissan's Datsuns like its a slur Stick an italian badge on it and pay 100k more, i'm sure it'll fit in at your tennis club then.
Not at all, just some of us are old enough to remember the Datsun as a brand. My neighbour had a Datsun 240Z - I was very envious at the time Stick an italian badge on it and pay 100k more, i'm sure it'll fit in at your tennis club then.Nissan Motor Co. is going to be celebrating its 80th year very soon....
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