Explain: Ford Escort Cosworth
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Hugo a Gogo said:
OK, I'm going to buy an MGF and fit a Metro rear end to it, should be great! 
The Metro uses separate sub frames for the engine/drive train. These same sub frames are mounted onto the MGF. Completely different platforms and chassis, but use the same basic running gear.emicen said:
This is why theres no point indulging 300bhp/ton. Whether he's deliberately trolling or just thick, it always degrades to this kind of situation.
So someone asks me a question, to which I answer and that's trolling - right ok 
emicen said:
He's a prime example of why this forum could do with an ignore button to just autohide posts.
http://www.escortrscosworth.com/forum/showthread.p...
http://www.bluecossie.com/index.php?option=com_con...
http://www.rs-world.co.uk/car_info/esccos.htm
The Escort Cosworth used a shortened Sierra Sapphire 4x4 floorpan with lengthened rear arches. It was actually produced by Karmann for this reason, none of Ford's mk5 Escort floorpan or rear panel tooling would have been suitable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmann#Karmann_total...
You've missed my point!!!http://www.escortrscosworth.com/forum/showthread.p...
http://www.bluecossie.com/index.php?option=com_con...
http://www.rs-world.co.uk/car_info/esccos.htm
The Escort Cosworth used a shortened Sierra Sapphire 4x4 floorpan with lengthened rear arches. It was actually produced by Karmann for this reason, none of Ford's mk5 Escort floorpan or rear panel tooling would have been suitable:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Karmann#Karmann_total...
I'm saying an Escort Cosworth is MORE than just a mildly facelifted Sierra. Not that it wasn't based on it. This really is a simple concept. At least it seemed simple. And again was in direct reply to this comment:
fathomfive said:
Wasn't the base car effectively a Sierra, with cannily grafted Escort bits on the outside / interior?
Or did I dream that?
Which is not accurate.Or did I dream that?
Oh and BTW from one of your links:
Which sort of backs up my entire point. It's not 100% a Sierra platform and it is indeed a lot of work/differences.
Hugo a Gogo said:
disco and rangy are practically the same car
In drivetrain yes No I admit these are pretty close. Although the entire body tub and structure is different, so where/how do you define where the platform starts and ends?
Hugo a Gogo said:
DB7 platform is related to the XJ-S and the same as the XK8
Nope, the DB7 is almost completely XJ-S infact and existed before the XK8. The XK8 however was based on the XJ-S and this development was then later introduced to the DB7 (not sure on year, probably around the time the DB7 Vantage was aired though).Hugo a Gogo said:
dunno about the dolly, but it wouldn't surprise me, same engine were in the sprints so why not
I admit taking an entire driveline and it fitting another car is rare. However you can design a different platform that still has the same hard point mountings if you want.In the case of the Escort Cosworth it is neither. But it also isn't just a Sierra - which is the only point I've been trying to make.
300bhp/ton said:
emicen said:
This is why theres no point indulging 300bhp/ton. Whether he's deliberately trolling or just thick, it always degrades to this kind of situation.
So someone asks me a question, to which I answer and that's trolling - right ok An accurate comparison would be showing where a longitudinally mounted engine and transmission could be dropped in a normally transversly equiped vehicle, but there is no such example where a floorpan is not shared between the specific models.
300bhp/ton said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
DB7 platform is related to the XJ-S and the same as the XK8
Nope, the DB7 is almost completely XJ-S infact and existed before the XK8. The XK8 however was based on the XJ-S and this development was then later introduced to the DB7 (not sure on year, probably around the time the DB7 Vantage was aired though).300bhp/ton said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
OK, I'm going to buy an MGF and fit a Metro rear end to it, should be great!
The Metro uses separate sub frames for the engine/drive train. These same sub frames are mounted onto the MGF. Completely different platforms and chassis, but use the same basic running gear.still, you can't simply swap complete MGF running gear into a Metro, the rear seat would get in the way for a start
300bhp/ton said:
Oh and BTW from one of your links:
Which sort of backs up my entire point. It's not 100% a Sierra platform and it is indeed a lot of work/differences.
a lot of work to fit the sierra platform (ie the floorpan) to the rest of the escort bodyshellWhich sort of backs up my entire point. It's not 100% a Sierra platform and it is indeed a lot of work/differences.
we're not saying it's the same complete shell, it's obviously not
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Edited by Hugo a Gogo on Wednesday 7th November 15:16
300bhp/ton said:
In the case of the Escort Cosworth it is neither. But it also isn't just a Sierra - which is the only point I've been trying to make.
Do you not find it interesting that you're the only one that took it to mean that? Everyone else getting the Sierra floorpan plus custom mk5 shell thing straight away.300bhp/ton said:
emicen said:
No you didnt, you wandered off down your usual tangent of where parts of the archaic British motor industry scaffed parts off pervious models to create new parts bin specials rather than newly engineered models.
Go back and check the posts... I was ASKED a question ffs You were asked a question, you didnt answer it with examples of what was asked, as per previous post, "you wandered off down your usual tangent of where parts of the archaic British motor industry scaffed parts off pervious models to create new parts bin specials rather than newly engineered models."
300bhp/ton said:
Hugo a Gogo said:
disco and rangy are practically the same car
In drivetrain yes No I admit these are pretty close. Although the entire body tub and structure is different, so where/how do you define where the platform starts and ends?
hmm Range rover classic and Disco 200tdi/300tdi shared a lot more than drive train. the front end, inner wings e.t.c are shared across both platforms most of the electrics,windscreen.A pillars e.t.c are shared. the disco was built on a tight budget and really is a part bin special
emicen said:
Again, deliberately being thick to try for an arguement.
You were asked a question, you didnt answer it with examples of what was asked, as per previous post, "you wandered off down your usual tangent of where parts of the archaic British motor industry scaffed parts off pervious models to create new parts bin specials rather than newly engineered models."
If it makes you feel better about yourself, then ok. However what you've just said is fabrication for your own ends.You were asked a question, you didnt answer it with examples of what was asked, as per previous post, "you wandered off down your usual tangent of where parts of the archaic British motor industry scaffed parts off pervious models to create new parts bin specials rather than newly engineered models."
The question I was asked didn't not specific or limit anything in the way you are suggesting.
fathomfive said:
Where did I say mildly faceifted Sierra?
You said 'effectively' and in other Cosworth threads it has been implied that it is nothing more than a Sierra. I was merely trying to comment to say it's actually more than just a Sierra..... 
effectively definition; "in actuality or reality or fact"
So you said "Wasn't the base car effectively a Sierra"
Which would mean "Wasn't the base car actually a Sierra"
You may have not said 'facelift', but I was just trying to generalise on the point being made.
HTH
300bhp/ton said:
fathomfive said:
Where did I say mildly faceifted Sierra?
You said 'effectively' and in other Cosworth threads it has been implied that it is nothing more than a Sierra. I was merely trying to comment to say it's actually more than just a Sierra..... effectively definition; "in actuality or reality or fact"
So you said "Wasn't the base car effectively a Sierra"
Which would mean "Wasn't the base car actually a Sierra"
You may have not said 'facelift', but I was just trying to generalise on the point being made.
HTH
He said something, which by tenuous link and with back up from other threads, you decide means something else entirely.
emicen said:
So you accuse me of fabricating stuff but thats the basis of your entire diatribe.
He said something, which by tenuous link and with back up from other threads, you decide means something else entirely.
ok, so what did they mean then? And regardless of what they meant, why are you so against what I said about the Cosworth?He said something, which by tenuous link and with back up from other threads, you decide means something else entirely.
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