RE: Meeting 'Mr GT86'
Discussion
RX7 said:
So wrong on the £27k, but its still 25% more, from £20k to £25k, i dont need to look at the exchange rate to tell me its just down to that, what was the difference in exchange rate 20 yen to the pound?
Its just the same as the GTR when first released being somewhere around £32k in Japan and ending up at over £50k here....and people wonder this country is in such a state
Okay, clearly you're playing fast and loose with numbers here. Let's ignore transportation costs, registration fees and other taxes because you're not interested in those. Let's also ignore exchange rate fluctuations because again, you think they don't play any part in this. Its just the same as the GTR when first released being somewhere around £32k in Japan and ending up at over £50k here....and people wonder this country is in such a state
A quick look over at Goo-exchange brings up a handful of cars that are under £24k. The cheapest is a bare bones car for just under £19k. The average price for a new or nearly new GT86 (or 86 in Japan) seems to hover around the £23k - £27k, with some fetching more due to additions like bigger wheels and fancy spoilers etc.
Now pop onto Autotrader and take a look at the prices for GT86's on there. They start at just under £23k, and you can haggle the RRP even lower for a new car as someone on here has already done. Starting to see why you're wrong yet?
The differences in price when it comes to like for like cars are nowhere near as vast as you're making them out to be. Think hundreds of pounds rather than thousands and you'd be right. You can't compare a zero spec car with fabric seats and plain dashboard with a UK car that's been specced to match what the majority of UK buyers expect to see in a sports coupe. I think your main gripe is with the fact that the UK market doesn't get the cheapest, spec free option. I actually agree with Toyota in deciding not to bring this to the UK as the differences in price aren't that huge but the appearance of the cockpit and car itself are very noticeable.
I know you're going to ignore everything I've said, as well as ignoring the facts and you're going to carry on with your completely misunderstood and entirely flawed argument.
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 9th November 11:52
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 9th November 11:53
Hellbound said:
Okay, clearly you're playing fast and loose with numbers here. Let's ignore transportation costs, registration fees and other taxes because you're not interested in those. Let's also ignore exchange rate fluctuations because again, you think they don't play any part in this.
A quick look over at Goo-exchange brings up a handful of cars that are under £24k. The cheapest is a bare bones car for just under £19k. The average price for a new or nearly new GT86 (or 86 in Japan) seems to hover around the £23k - £27k, with some fetching more due to additions like bigger wheels and fancy spoilers etc.
Now pop onto Autotrader and take a look at the prices for GT86's on there. They start at just under £23k, and you can haggle the RRP even lower for a new car as someone on here has already done. Starting to see why you're wrong yet?
The differences in price when it comes to like for like cars are nowhere near as vast as you're making them out to be. Think hundreds of pounds rather than thousands and you'd be right. You can't compare a zero spec car with fabric seats and plain dashboard with a UK car that's been specced to match what the majority of UK buyers expect to see in a sports coupe. I think your main gripe is with the fact that the UK market doesn't get the cheapest, spec free option. I actually agree with Toyota in deciding not to bring this to the UK as the differences in price aren't that huge but the appearance of the cockpit and car itself are very noticeable.
I know you're going to ignore everything I've said, as well as ignoring the facts and you're going to carry on with your completely misunderstood and entirely flawed argument.
I have never mentioned the base spec, that was MajorTom, so that is that cleared up.A quick look over at Goo-exchange brings up a handful of cars that are under £24k. The cheapest is a bare bones car for just under £19k. The average price for a new or nearly new GT86 (or 86 in Japan) seems to hover around the £23k - £27k, with some fetching more due to additions like bigger wheels and fancy spoilers etc.
Now pop onto Autotrader and take a look at the prices for GT86's on there. They start at just under £23k, and you can haggle the RRP even lower for a new car as someone on here has already done. Starting to see why you're wrong yet?
The differences in price when it comes to like for like cars are nowhere near as vast as you're making them out to be. Think hundreds of pounds rather than thousands and you'd be right. You can't compare a zero spec car with fabric seats and plain dashboard with a UK car that's been specced to match what the majority of UK buyers expect to see in a sports coupe. I think your main gripe is with the fact that the UK market doesn't get the cheapest, spec free option. I actually agree with Toyota in deciding not to bring this to the UK as the differences in price aren't that huge but the appearance of the cockpit and car itself are very noticeable.
I know you're going to ignore everything I've said, as well as ignoring the facts and you're going to carry on with your completely misunderstood and entirely flawed argument.
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 9th November 11:52
Edited by Hellbound on Friday 9th November 11:53
I am not playing fast and loose with numbers, but having imported a number of cars from Japan i know what i pay for transportation, registration and taxes, so i have first hand knowledge of what a private individual will pay, so a major manufacturer will pay considerably less due to bulk costs, even if they pay the same as me as an individual, it certainly wont be the £1000's you say. Are you happy that i now have some facts to base my discussion around? Or will you choose to dismiss that too as it doesnt sit with your understanding (not experience) of associated costs?
Sure the exchange rate will play apart, but not to the tune of 25%.
Again from experience, i see/know off a local main car dealer, he has just finished construction of a 4.5 million pound house, drives varying exotica and is on his third thai bride, he doesnt live in his 4.5 million pound house, he lives in his 3/4 of a million pound flat, where he bought the one next door for another 3/4 of a million and knocked through!
His margins must be really tight..........;)
RX7 said:
Again from experience, i see/know off a local main car dealer, he has just finished construction of a 4.5 million pound house, drives varying exotica and is on his third thai bride, he doesnt live in his 4.5 million pound house, he lives in his 3/4 of a million pound flat, where he bought the one next door for another 3/4 of a million and knocked through!
His margins must be really tight..........;)
I'm dumbfounded. Dealers make money. Or they try to, the canny ones do, the bad ones just create debt. I actually don't know why I'm continuing this debate, or one sided conversation with you. Your beef is with people making money, or more money than you think is justified by your own experiences. So this is all about your own unique perception of greed, and not about the price of a GT86 at all. What a waste of everyone's time.His margins must be really tight..........;)
MajorTom said:
otolith said:
He must have awesome margins if he's achieving that lifestyle selling only GT86s, as he must surely be for you to single that particular car out for criticism.
Apparently they make £10k profit per car....easy money!
Hellbound said:
I'm dumbfounded. Dealers make money. Or they try to, the canny ones do, the bad ones just create debt. I actually don't know why I'm continuing this debate, or one sided conversation with you. Your beef is with people making money, or more money than you think is justified by your own experiences. So this is all about your own unique perception of greed, and not about the price of a GT86 at all. What a waste of everyone's time.
Are you a spin doctor? I have no problem with people making money (and how did i know you would have that take on it).I just gave you some views and more so experience on cost of importing from experience, which you ignored conveniently and the poor old dealer lifestyles, as you seem to think they have, due to tight margins or profit. If you have all the answers, why dont you tell us how much a Gt86 costs landed to the dealer?
RX7 said:
I am not playing fast and loose with numbers, but having imported a number of cars from Japan i know what i pay for transportation, registration and taxes......
Sure the exchange rate will play apart, but not to the tune of 25%.
What was the exchange rate the last time you imported a car from Japan?Sure the exchange rate will play apart, but not to the tune of 25%.
I brought a car over in Summer 2007, when the exchange rate was around 250 JPY to the Pound. It's now around 125.
MajorTom said:
MGZRod said:
MajorTom said:
It's far too expensive for what it actually a pretty basic car....should be more like £15k.
Go spec another 200bhp drivers car with the same gadgets, build quiality etc for £15k and i'll believe you. Go on, try doing enough TVM to accomplish that.
RX7 said:
Are you a spin doctor? I have no problem with people making money (and how did i know you would have that take on it).
I just gave you some views and more so experience on cost of importing from experience, which you ignored conveniently and the poor old dealer lifestyles, as you seem to think they have, due to tight margins or profit. If you have all the answers, why dont you tell us how much a Gt86 costs landed to the dealer?
You're deluded. I'm sure you walk into Tesco and begrudge paying the store price and not the price Tesco pays at wholesale. I just gave you some views and more so experience on cost of importing from experience, which you ignored conveniently and the poor old dealer lifestyles, as you seem to think they have, due to tight margins or profit. If you have all the answers, why dont you tell us how much a Gt86 costs landed to the dealer?
I have no interest in continuing this moronic conversation with you or MajorTom.
RX7 said:
Hellbound said:
Snip!
I am not playing fast and loose with numbers, but having imported a number of cars from Japan i know what i pay for transportation, registration and taxes, so i have first hand knowledge of what a private individual will pay... [snip]Sure the exchange rate will play apart, but not to the tune of 25%.
Sure, Toyota's manufacturered elsewhere can absorb this, but anything made in Japan costs to export - Look at how Daihatsu has had to pull out of the UK market entirely. No offshore manufacturing means they can't compete here.
So, I'd say, as it manufacturered in Japan, 25% diff in costs is easily expected.
nickfrog said:
The M135i in France is £6K more than in the UK, like for like and based on the same discounts.
Yep, grosse merde -- c'est la meme chose en Allemagne. I'm not sure what / why BMW UK doing this, but I'd love to see the same pricing on the continent. At UK prices I'd be tempted to just ignore the incredibly (IMO) ugly looks of the thing and buy my first new car ever..."We swap over somewhere on Rannoch Moor "
Rannoch Moor is a fantastic road to test any car, especially in the dark.
But 5 months of the year you are better off with a 4wd due to frost/snow/rain/sleet/puddles/mud on an unmarked hill road with lots of blind corners and blind crests.
A low powered over tyred rwd coupe is not the ideal choice for these roads.
But give it 4wd and 300 + bhp and it will be a lot more interesting (please Subaru).
Rannoch Moor is a fantastic road to test any car, especially in the dark.
But 5 months of the year you are better off with a 4wd due to frost/snow/rain/sleet/puddles/mud on an unmarked hill road with lots of blind corners and blind crests.
A low powered over tyred rwd coupe is not the ideal choice for these roads.
But give it 4wd and 300 + bhp and it will be a lot more interesting (please Subaru).
PZR said:
What was the exchange rate the last time you imported a car from Japan?
I brought a car over in Summer 2007, when the exchange rate was around 250 JPY to the Pound. It's now around 125.
As someone else mentions below, exchange rate hasnt changed much since 2009, it was only last year or the year before they were talking about this being £20K!I brought a car over in Summer 2007, when the exchange rate was around 250 JPY to the Pound. It's now around 125.
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