RE: Meeting 'Mr GT86'
Discussion
MajorTom said:
Dave Hedgehog said:
its over priced, but then most cars are in the UK
Thankyou for backing me up Mr Hedgehog, it's nice to know there are a few intelligent people left on this forum....not just the usual lemmings and copycats 
), so that a younger generation could buy into the Toyota brand. The price was pretty unbelieveable, but seeing that price grow to £15k, £20k and finally £25k for a more luxurious model with slightly less performance (greater weight) has been difficult for me to come to terms with. I can see that the price is competitive in its niche, but it's still a long way from that prototype that many people were willing to be made.
MajorTom said:
Rawwr said:
You seem like quite an odd person.
Not really odd.....I don't follow the crowd, I think for myself and certainly don't believe all the bulls
t I read in magazines and see on the television 
Another debate re peoples pros and cons of the 86, where is that yawn smilie.
Personally i am bored to tears with the "hype", the people who love it wont hear a thing against it, i only ask one question to those who believe the "hype", can we come back 6 months after the release of the turbo/supercharged one and see which model is selling more, that will tell you what the "majority market" want from this car?
Personally i am bored to tears with the "hype", the people who love it wont hear a thing against it, i only ask one question to those who believe the "hype", can we come back 6 months after the release of the turbo/supercharged one and see which model is selling more, that will tell you what the "majority market" want from this car?
There's a lot of £30k talk on here.
There are 63 new/pre registered/nearly new GT86's on Autotrader.
Prices start at just under £23k.
And that amount of money buys you nearly 5 years warranty along with dealer finance options.
Pearl White GT86 manual, 66 miles. £23k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
In 6-12 months time I wouldn't be surprised if you see cars dipping under £18k with 15k on the clock and 3.5 years remaining on the warranty.
There are 63 new/pre registered/nearly new GT86's on Autotrader.
Prices start at just under £23k.
And that amount of money buys you nearly 5 years warranty along with dealer finance options.
Pearl White GT86 manual, 66 miles. £23k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
In 6-12 months time I wouldn't be surprised if you see cars dipping under £18k with 15k on the clock and 3.5 years remaining on the warranty.
RX7 said:
Another debate re peoples pros and cons of the 86, where is that yawn smilie.
Personally i am bored to tears with the "hype", the people who love it wont hear a thing against it, i only ask one question to those who believe the "hype", can we come back 6 months after the release of the turbo/supercharged one and see which model is selling more, that will tell you what the "majority market" want from this car?
One or maybe both of those will be available as a bolt on upgrade. Toyota are certainly testing a bolt on supercharger which can be fitted to existing cars. Personally i am bored to tears with the "hype", the people who love it wont hear a thing against it, i only ask one question to those who believe the "hype", can we come back 6 months after the release of the turbo/supercharged one and see which model is selling more, that will tell you what the "majority market" want from this car?
Could end up being a moot point on your part. Existing owners will upgrade because people get bored, understand a car better and want to up the ante. Modifying a car during ownership to get more out of it as your own ability grows is the most natural thing to do.
Hellbound said:
There's a lot of £30k talk on here.
There are 63 new/pre registered/nearly new GT86's on Autotrader.
Prices start at just under £23k.
And that amount of money buys you nearly 5 years warranty along with dealer finance options.
Pearl White GT86 manual, 66 miles. £23k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
Didn't live upto someones expectations or a pre-reg?There are 63 new/pre registered/nearly new GT86's on Autotrader.
Prices start at just under £23k.
And that amount of money buys you nearly 5 years warranty along with dealer finance options.
Pearl White GT86 manual, 66 miles. £23k.
http://www.autotrader.co.uk/classified/advert/2012...
E30M3SE said:
Didn't live upto someones expectations or a pre-reg?
Well, there are probably 30 or more different reasons as to why there are so many on sale, especially for the ones which have clocked up just a few thousand miles. Could be a factor of not living up to expectations, could be alternatives coming to market, could be dealers not being able to shift demo cars and whatnot. Either way I think it will end up being a bit of a used bargain. And it goes without saying a used GT86/BRZ will be easier and cheaper to mod than a M135i. Different cars, different philosophies. Both great.MajorTom said:
Spot on fella....that makes 3 of us that think it's over priced then 
Surely someone with the manufacturing might of Toyota/Subaru could have supplied this basic little sportscar for a lot less than they are asking UK buyers to fork out? Others like Renault and Mazda seem to have been able to do it with the Clio 200 and the MX5.
Exactly that's the bit you don't get Tom... Renault churn out way more Clios than GT86/BRZ will be made. The economy of scale is there to sexy up the Clio into a Clio 200... It doesn't have a bespoke chassis, dash etc etc. You think if Renault tooled up to make a bespoke chassis ONLY for the Clio 200, no other models, just for enthusiasts, it would cost around £18k? Same with the M3, C63... No 3 series or C Class... They would cost a lot more than they do now!!!Surely someone with the manufacturing might of Toyota/Subaru could have supplied this basic little sportscar for a lot less than they are asking UK buyers to fork out? Others like Renault and Mazda seem to have been able to do it with the Clio 200 and the MX5.
Just because 3 of you think it's overpriced doesn't actually doesn't mean you're right, just not seeing the car made it to the road in the 1st place. And remember mighty Toyota only agreed to built the car once the not so mighty Subaru agreed to share development costs!! I say not so might as Subaru Heavy Industries are a huge company but the car division is pretty small compared to Toyota and Nissan.
MajorTom said:
I still don't get it.....why are they making so few? If the GT86 is such a bargain and as perfect as everyone on here says then surely they would be selling like hot cakes? 
Supply and demand, if they flood the market and there are loads for sale, dealers will start to have to offer discounts to shift stock and compete with other dealers, its common practice and its also to keep them a bit more exclusive on the road.MajorTom said:
I still don't get it.....why are they making so few? If the GT86 is such a bargain and as perfect as everyone on here says then surely they would be selling like hot cakes?
Ahhh... Now that's the right question. And you said it. Everyone here! Everyone here are the general buy public for this sort of car. We are enthusiast who account for very few customers in reality compared to the masses of bread an butter stuff they sell. Also 'everyone here' don't all think it's a great car as can be read on this and other threads. It's aimed at enthusiast but which means a small segment. There is still a bigger market for TT's, Z4's, SLK's etc because most buyers want there toys and comforts. Most of those buyers would take one look inside a GT86, if the got passed the badge, and just turn their nose up. It's aimed at a certain type who know what it is and will lap it up... The rest just won't get it. No point building more than can be sold. It's really that simple.
HighwayStar said:
Ahhh... Now that's the right question. And you said it. Everyone here! Everyone here are the general buy public for this sort of car. We are enthusiast who account for very few customers in reality compared to the masses of bread an butter stuff they sell. Also 'everyone here' don't all think it's a great car as can be read on this and other threads. It's aimed at enthusiast but which means a small segment. There is still a bigger market for TT's, Z4's, SLK's etc because most buyers want there toys and comforts. Most of those buyers would take one look inside a GT86, if the got passed the badge, and just turn their nose up. It's aimed at a certain type who know what it is and will lap it up... The rest just won't get it. No point building more than can be sold. It's really that simple.
I personally think these things need time. The general consensus is that as far as driving goes, it's a pretty damn good car. The wider population just doesn't know it yet. Or certainly doesn't regard that one credit as being reason enough to part with cash. There's no reputation for the GT86, which people think of as being an entirely new 'thing' on our roads.I guess you could liken it to Honda. Nobody gave a rats ass about Type R cars until very late in the game. All of a sudden everyone (almost) knew what Type R's were all about. Now this is hardly the same thing being a different car, but if owners collectively got the whole GT86 'scene' going and we saw far more support from aftermarket parts manufacturers, it could start gathering momentum and build some positive kudos for the car.
Just make sure it doesn't become all chavvy like, as some would say, what has happened to some performance cars from Ford and Vauxhall.
Edited by Hellbound on Wednesday 7th November 20:02
Hellbound said:
I personally think these things need time. The general consensus is that as far as driving goes, it's a pretty damn good car. The wider population just doesn't know it yet.
I remember a recent thread about "driving" these days, not your journey to and from work, but driving, jumping in a car and just going for a drive. The general feeling was, there is not such thing any more due to congestion, speed cameras etc etc This car will be bought exactly by the majority who bought the RX8 (a good chassis, good drivers car etc) and that is a majority who couldnt give two hoots about it being a drivers car. If this is billed as the next ae86, i cant remember that being lusted after, it just seems so many on here have bought the "hype", hook line and sinker and in a few months into ownership will be as bored with it as i am already
Hellbound said:
The general consensus is that as far as driving goes, it's a pretty damn good car. The wider population just doesn't know it yet
The wider population probably don't actually care. 'Image' (for most people), gadgets, easily quantifiable performance figures (for some people, probably blokes in their 20s) and, these days, MPG/Tax band are what sells cars. Few people are interested in driving beyond getting from A-B.
The best thing for Toyota might be for it to become a latter-day MGB GT, popular and fun to drive without being the fastewst thing on the road.
Hellbound said:
I personally think these things need time. The general consensus is that as far as driving goes, it's a pretty damn good car. The wider population just doesn't know it yet. Or certainly doesn't regard that one credit as being reason enough to part with cash. There's no reputation for the GT86, which people think of as being an entirely new 'thing' on our roads.
I guess you could liken it to Honda. Nobody gave a rats ass about Type R cars until very late in the game. All of a sudden everyone (almost) knew what Type R's were all about. Now this is hardly the same thing being a different car, but if owners collectively got the whole GT86 'scene' going and we saw far more support from aftermarket parts manufacturers, it could start gathering momentum and build some positive kudos for the car.
Just make sure it doesn't become all chavvy like, as some would say, what has happened to some performance cars from Ford and Vauxhall.
Totally agree, but it's the same thing really... Type R's, top of the Civic range but you didn't see then all over the place. Still bought by relatively people who knew what they were about. Re the chav thing, how do you make sure it doesn't go the way of the chav? If the owner has the money, he'll go any number of ways. We know sooner or later, maybe in this very thread, someone will post a pic of some bad taste monstrosity and then someone else will say it's put them off buying one I guess you could liken it to Honda. Nobody gave a rats ass about Type R cars until very late in the game. All of a sudden everyone (almost) knew what Type R's were all about. Now this is hardly the same thing being a different car, but if owners collectively got the whole GT86 'scene' going and we saw far more support from aftermarket parts manufacturers, it could start gathering momentum and build some positive kudos for the car.
Just make sure it doesn't become all chavvy like, as some would say, what has happened to some performance cars from Ford and Vauxhall.
Edited by Hellbound on Wednesday 7th November 20:02
MajorTom said:
Not really odd.....I don't follow the crowd, I think for myself and certainly don't believe all the bullst I read in magazines and see on the television
Someone could wear a bright pink jacket with green polka dots and dye their hair blue if they want to be different to most people. However, that wouldn't make it a wise thing to do.t I read in magazines and see on the television Bugger the magazines and television adverts. Make decisions that are right, not those that are "individual". Sometimes you'll be with the crowd, sometimes you won't.
Always being against the crowd no matter what doesn't make someone a visionary. It makes someone just as much of an automaton as those who always follow the crowd... just far less popular.
Edited by blearyeyedboy on Wednesday 7th November 22:22
sanctum said:
As a track tool, it's great. For blasting along open B-roads with good sight lines, equally good. But for everyday driving around towns and high hedged national speed limit routes? No,not without being unsafe.
I'm sorry but if you can't make progress safely with 200bhp in a car like that then I'm afraid its your driving that's the problem.... not the car.Gassing Station | General Gassing | Top of Page | What's New | My Stuff